OT: Who should be in the Hall that isn't

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by CobbvLajoie1910

Fred McGriff -- agree with Ian; its a travesty he's not looked at more favorably.

The question is if he hit 7 more HRs would he be in the Hall.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's funny, on this board it seems to me there is the exact opposite bias, the romantic overrating of old time players relative to modern players.

This is pretty true. If Rickey Henderson played in the 1910s he'd be better then Ty Cobb.

[Jeffrompa]

Larry Bowa , first comes to mind .

[ZachS]

Pete Rose

[Sean]

Jack Morris should be in.

And as regards your list of current players, how did you leave off Verlander?

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jack Morris should be in.

And as regards your list of current players, how did you leave off Verlander?

The way he's been pitching lately, I wouldn't include him.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jack Morris should be in.

And as regards your list of current players, how did you leave off Verlander?

I used to be a big advocate of Jack Morris. The argument was always that his ERA was to high. Research finds that, yes, his career figure of 3.90 would be the highest in the Hall - but I was willing to overlook this because of what a big game pitcher he was.

The truth: His lowest single season ERA was 3.05 and he performed poorly in his last post-season.

He was a very good ace of some great teams...but Trammell deserves more consideration.

[DJR]

John Wesley "Jack," "Pebbly Jack" Glasscock

Nicknamed "Pebbly Jack" for his habit of scrutinizing the infield for small stones, typically pocketing them, the practice helped him to avoid the bad-hop ground balls which more regularly afflicted other infielders; fielding averages of the era rarely exceeded .900 among shortstops. He led the National League in fielding percentage seven times and in assists six times (without a glove until 1890), with both marks remaining league records until Ozzie Smith surpassed them in the 1980s; he also led the NL in double plays four times and in putouts twice. He won the 1890 batting title with a .336 average for the New York Giants and led the league in hits twice; in his final season he became the sixth major league player to make 2,000 hits. He was the first player to appear in over 600 games as a shortstop, and ended his career with major league records for games (1,628), putouts (2,821), assists (5,630), total chances (9,283), double plays (620) and fielding percentage (.910) at the position. When he retired he ranked fifth in major league history in games (1,736) and at bats (7,030), seventh in total bases (2,630) and eighth in doubles (313).

Glasscock left the major leagues with a .290 career batting average, 2040 hits, 27 home runs, 63 runs, 825 runs batted in and 98 triples. He was one of the most difficult players of the 19th century to strike out, doing so just once in every 33 at bats. In 1887 and 1890 he struck out only eight times. It would be 35 years before Joe Sewell bettered his 1890 average of 64 at bats per strikeout. He played a notable role in the advancement of defensive tactics, being one of the first shortstops to use signals indicating which infielder would cover second base on steal attempts, and also one of the first to back up throws to the second baseman.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by ZachS

Pete Rose

I would definitely put BART GIAMOTTI in before rose. He had a lot more respect for the game. rose believed and still believes his is better than the game.

As has been said many times before, there are signs in EVERY clubhouse stating that gambling on baseball is illegal - if it was done today, it should be treated just as harshly...but I worry that we have become a too-forgiving, too-permissive society. Our standards should remain high....higher than rose.

[wolf441]

OT, but I think that if you flipped teams and put Nap Rucker on the Giants and Rube Marquard on the Dodgers, the other guy is in the HOF (and probably with much better career numbers than Marquard).

Bill Dahlen, Sherry Magee and maybe Ginger Beaumont are all better than many players already enshrined.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

The question is if he hit 7 more HRs would he be in the Hall.



This is pretty true. If Rickey Henderson played in the 1910s he'd be better then Ty Cobb.

I dunno...he would have been pretty young...