Poll time - what percentage of PSA 10s are doctored?

[SMPEP]

So now that we've all seen the Blow Out evidence, what do folks think - what percentage of PRE-1980 PSA 10s are the result of card doctoring?

[vintagetoppsguy]

My guess is 51-70.%

[swarmee]

There a couple million PSA 10s. Mostly from newer products. I think 15% would be generous.

[Peter_Spaeth]

0-10. Most of the 10s, as stated, are of new inexpensive cards. I'd be shocked if it came anywhere close to 10 percent.

[SMPEP]

Fair points. Since this is vintage forum - let me see if I can edit the poll (not sure I can) and focus solely on the vintage stuff (say pre-1980?).

[SMPEP]

Actually looks like I can't edit the poll. Bummer.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Actually looks like I can't edit the poll. Bummer.

Delete and try a second poll, and try Pre-WWII cards

[barrysloate]

Everyone who participates in this poll, myself included, is guessing as nobody has any concrete evidence whatsoever. But we are all free to guess...I guess.

[bobbvc]

Consider restarting the poll. Seems as if people are voting for different time periods. Could use a little more clarity IMO.

[SMPEP]

I did repost the poll.

It got 4 votes and then disappeared.

No clue why.

[bnorth]

I went with the 71-90% option.

I guess it depends on what you call altering.

I would say that is accurate in both vintage and modern. Lower end on vintage and higher end on modern.

For vintage i just don't remember ever seeing cards from the 50s-70's that looked that(PSA 10) nice in the 1980s. Especially those super bright white borders. On modern, those cards get a little prep work before they go to the graders.

[darwinbulldog]

Worth noting that the BO/Moser/PWCC/PSA vintage cards I've been seeing average about a PSA 5 after doctoring. Maybe we were already skeptical enough of the 10s but need to be more cautious about everything else.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I went with the 71-90% option.

I guess it depends on what you call altering.

I would say that is accurate in both vintage and modern. Lower end on vintage and higher end on modern.

For vintage i just don't remember ever seeing cards from the 50s-70's that looked that(PSA 10) nice in the 1980s. Especially those super bright white borders. On modern, those cards get a little prep work before they go to the graders.

I totally agree!

[CMIZ5290]

Are we really getting into this now? How in the Hell can anyone project this? OVERKILL

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Everyone who participates in this poll, myself included, is guessing as nobody has any concrete evidence whatsoever. But we are all free to guess...I guess.

I guess your right Barry, my guess anyway, sorry, couldn't resist........This is a crazy post because there's no way to really determine it...

[calvindog]

It would make more sense to do this by issue. Obviously T206s and CJs and E93s are more likely to be trimmed than W600s and postcards.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Are we really getting into this now? How in the Hell can anyone project this? OVERKILL

If you can tell me how you come up with your prices in the BST area I can tell you how I come up with my choice.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bnorth

If you can tell me how you come up with your prices in the BST area I can tell you how I come up with my choice.

Oh so cute Ben...Good luck elk hunting tomorrow....

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Oh so cute Ben...Good luck elk hunting tomorrow....

Thanks, I thought so too. Never elk hunted in my life. I gave up killing poor defenseless animals over 25 years ago. I am going camping/fishing for the first time in probably 15 years next week. Pretty sure that will be catch and release though.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Are we really getting into this now? How in the Hell can anyone project this? OVERKILL

Would you have preferred if the poll were psa9 oc’s??? I kid!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It would make more sense to do this by issue. Obviously T206s and CJs and E93s are more likely to be trimmed than W600s and postcards.

Why do you assume this jeff? As hot as postcards have been?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Thanks, I thought so too. Never elk hunted in my life. I gave up killing poor defenseless animals over 25 years ago. I am going camping/fishing for the first time in probably 15 years next week. Pretty sure that will be catch and release though.

I am glad to hear you say that, I'm an animal advocate so that's good to hear...

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Why do you assume this jeff? As hot as postcards have been?

I don't think high grade PCs are as valued relative to lower grade by collectors as high grade baseball cards are to lower graded cards. Oftentimes a perfect fronted PC will have been postally used and it's rendered a 1 when it would otherwise by a 5-6. Plus trimmed PCs are easier to spot due to the fact that they rarely have fat white borders. If you trim a PC, you end up losing some of the pictured front usually or some of the writing on the back.