Latest Media Coverage On PWCC and Scandal

[Goodsport40]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ed/1929959001/

Apologies if this is posted elsewhere.

[bnorth]

Oh Jeffrey is hilarious. Lichtman said. “While there are questions of what constitutes an improper alteration,

LOL, may all of his cards have proper alterations.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Oh Jeffrey is hilarious. Lichtman said. “While there are questions of what constitutes an improper alteration,

LOL, may all of his cards have proper alterations.

Jeffrey is looking out for us

[CuriousGeorge]

You need this guy to protect you:

https://www.warshawlaw.net/

Perhaps someone can tell him having a picture of himself, no matter how gruesome that may be, might help a bit. And hiring an employee probably wouldn’t hurt either.

[Leon]

I have used Adam for some basic contract stuff and he did an outstanding job for me.

As for the article, the reporter called me yesterday (or the day before) too but I wasn't home. National coverage is good .

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

You need this guy to protect you:

https://www.warshawlaw.net/

Perhaps someone can tell him having a picture of himself, no matter how gruesome that may be, might help a bit. And hiring an employee probably wouldn’t hurt either.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

You need this guy to protect you:

https://www.warshawlaw.net/

Perhaps someone can tell him having a picture of himself, no matter how gruesome that may be, might help a bit. And hiring an employee probably wouldn’t hurt either.

I am sure I could afford to hire Adam, probably couldn't afford to hire you.

[CuriousGeorge]

I hope you didn’t pay too much because from the looks of that website you shouldn’t of had to.

Originally Posted by Leon

I have used Adam for some basic contract stuff and he did an outstanding job for me.

As for the article, the reporter called me yesterday (or the day before) too but I wasn't home. National coverage is good .

[bounce]

"problematic ones are in the hundreds"

I'll take the over on that one - the WAAAAAAAAY over

"refunds have been given to hundreds"

Oh, so I guess we're almost done then? not even close

[griffon512]

Is the best way to combat card fraud for the benefit of the hobby minimizing the pervasiveness of it despite knowing better?

"PWCC has sold hundreds of thousands of cards and the problematic ones are in the hundreds — or less than 1%.”

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

I hope you didn’t pay too much because from the looks of that website you shouldn’t of had to.

Are you a website expert? What do you think of this one?

https://www.plushcare.com/blog/free-...new-york-city/

[CuriousGeorge]

It looks like it was created by a guy making about $45K/year.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Are you a website expert? What do you think of this one?

https://www.plushcare.com/blog/free-...new-york-city/

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have used Adam for some basic contract stuff and he did an outstanding job for me.

As for the article, the reporter called me yesterday (or the day before) too but I wasn't home. National coverage is good .

Agreed, Adam is outstanding for his area of expertise and he is great for the hobby educating collectors about exhibit cards from the many books he has published. Not sure why anyone would be negative toward him unless its a deflection from the current thread topic of the FBI/PWCC/TPG Article.

I thought the article was well written, but only a small sample size of whats going on.

[griffon512]

I'm curious Steven if you agree with your brother's statement:

"PWCC has sold hundreds of thousands of cards and the problematic ones are in the hundreds — or less than 1%.”

If not, how is this consistent with your presumption that his primary intention in getting involved is doing what is best for the hobby? I'm also curious if you think he believes his own statement?

[Rhotchkiss]

Go BODA! Thanks for all your hard work. USA Today is major!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

It looks like it was created by a guy making about $45K/year.

Maybe so, but you may want to share the link with your brother. You do know, before your brother was screwing around on his wife with Sarma, she was banging Louis CK? I mean, what kind of skank whore sleeps with Louis CK? Anyway, he gave her an STD. And that's not an internet rumor, that's a verifiable fact. Hope he is able to clear that up with some penicillin.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Maybe so, but you may want to share the link with your brother. You do know, before your brother was screwing around on his wife with Sarma, she was banging Louis CK? I mean, what kind of skank whore sleeps with Louis CK? Anyway, he gave her an STD. And that's not an internet rumor, that's a verifiable fact. Hope he is able to clear that up with some penicillin.

The set up and fallow through was brilliant.

To be honest the set up had me wondering but the fallow up was worth the wait.

[CuriousGeorge]

Of course I’m not privy to the inner workings of PWCC but from what I have seen, no I would not agree with that statement. What he believes I don’t know because I haven’t asked him. I do know everyone wants arrests made, people in jail, and of course civil law suits filed already, but that’s not how these things work. Somehow though the issue has received national exposure. Do you think a big mouth like Adam Warshaw who pounds his chest on his website that he has recovered over $3M for his clients since 1996 had anything to do with that? Yes $3M in 23 years. Jeff does that in a matter of months. If I were him I’d bust my ass to get Brent the best possible result he can and let you all take care of the rest of the problems yourself. You can let Adam Warshaw and David James lead the charge.

Originally Posted by griffon512

I'm curious Steven if you agree with your brother's statement:

"PWCC has sold hundreds of thousands of cards and the problematic ones are in the hundreds — or less than 1%.”

If not, how is this consistent with your presumption that his primary intention in getting involved is doing what is best for the hobby? I'm also curious if you think he believes his own statement?

[CuriousGeorge]

What kind of skank whore sleeps with you?

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Maybe so, but you may want to share the link with your brother. You do know, before your brother was screwing around on his wife with Sarma, she was banging Louis CK? I mean, what kind of skank whore sleeps with Louis CK? Anyway, he gave her an STD. And that's not an internet rumor, that's a verifiable fact. Hope he is able to clear that up with some penicillin.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Maybe so, but you may want to share the link with your brother. You do know, before your brother was screwing around on his wife with Sarma, she was banging Louis CK? I mean, what kind of skank whore sleeps with Louis CK? Anyway, he gave her an STD. And that's not an internet rumor, that's a verifiable fact. Hope he is able to clear that up with some penicillin.

Yup. This is proper for a baseball card forum.....

[barrysloate]

This thread should be locked.

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Of course I’m not privy to the inner workings of PWCC but from what I have seen, no I would not agree with that statement. What he believes I don’t know because I haven’t asked him. I do know everyone wants arrests made, people in jail, and of course civil law suits filed already, but that’s not how these things work. Somehow though the issue has received national exposure. Do you think a big mouth like Adam Warshaw who pounds his chest on his website that he has recovered over $3M for his clients since 1996 had anything to do with that? Yes $3M in 23 years. Jeff does that in a matter of months. If I were him I’d bust my ass to get Brent the best possible result he can and let you all take care of the rest of the problems yourself. You can let Adam Warshaw and David James lead the charge.

Thank you for responding Steven. I agree with what you wrote in this line: "If I were him I’d bust my ass to get Brent the best possible result he can and let you all take care of the rest of the problems yourself." My guess is that will happen. It's the basis for my and others' concern of inconsistency between the stated motive for representation -- to affect substantive positive change in the hobby --and what the likely result will be...little to no change.

As for your question regarding Adam, the answer is no, but that would also be true of me and most others. Some people, like Peter Spaeth and BODA have stepped up and they deserve our respect. I could care less what Adam's salary is. I could also care less about aspects of your brother's personal life. I don't think either should be discussed on a message board about baseball cards.

[Goodsport40]

Well, that escalated quickly.

[CuriousGeorge]

I try to keep these topics on point and to have civil banter even when we all may disagree. Unfortunately for a small number that is too much to ask and they continue to bring things to the gutter so I am forced to as well. At this point I really don’t know what Jeff is doing but if I were him I would represent my client as vociferously as possible and let you all figure out the rest. I would imagine if we took an honest poll of how many here have cheated on their spouse no one would be surprised at the results. And thank you Ryan, your heart is in the right place.

Originally Posted by griffon512

Thank you for responding Steven. I agree with what you wrote in this line: "If I were him I’d bust my ass to get Brent the best possible result he can and let you all take care of the rest of the problems yourself." My guess is that will happen. It's the basis for my and others' concern of inconsistency between the stated motive for representation -- to affect substantive positive change in the hobby --and what the likely result will be...little to no change.

As for your question regarding Adam, the answer is no, but that would also be true of me and most others. Some people, like Peter Spaeth and BODA have stepped up and they deserve our respect. I could care less what Adam's salary is. I could also care less about aspects of your brother's personal life. I don't think either should be discussed on a message board about baseball cards.

[Leon]

Everyone needs to cut out the personal attacks. Lets try to stick to cards and hobby related stuff. There is plenty to talk about on those subjects. Thanks

[mark evans]

Adam is first-rate in all respects and a tribute to the hobby.

[CuriousGeorge]

Thanks Leon, but no need to stop it on my account or my brothers.

Originally Posted by Leon

Everyone needs to cut out the personal attacks. Lets try to stick to cards and hobby related stuff. There is plenty to talk about on those subjects. Thanks

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

It looks like it was created by a guy making about $45K/year.

You know your elitism is a little bit shitty sometimes. You act like you didn't start the personal attacks, but as far as I can tell Adam (whom I don't know or care about at all) certainly never did anything to you. I agree with you a lot of the time, but you've been more than just a little disingenuous in this instance "I try to keep these topics on point and to have civil banter even when we all may disagree."

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

You know your elitism is a little bit shitty sometimes.

By Intention. When someone opens their big mouth we should all get to see what’s behind it. Otherwise I could care less what someone makes or who they’re sleeping with.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Yup. This is proper for a baseball card forum.....

Like trashing Adam and his livelihood?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Where did this Adam open his mouth, did I miss something? Also I certainly didn't think you did it UNINTENTIONALLY.

[CuriousGeorge]

Do you really think I’m going after someone for no reason?

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Where did this Adam open his mouth, did I miss something? Also I certainly didn't think you did it UNINTENTIONALLY.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Like trashing Adam and his livelihood?

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Or, as a girl I dated in high school once astutely observed: two rights don't make a wrong.

[clydepepper]

just as a passer-bye...Leon...I'd say lock this one!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Understood. I'm just questioning why you called out my "wrong" but not his?

And edited to add: I actually stated fact while he stated opinion.

[CuriousGeorge]

When someone goes way over the line it does.

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[BeanTown]

Or just keep it on original topic before someone took it off track like a deflection.

I wonder what "person" is being written in when i see certain post/articles.

-First person definition: first person indicates the speaker.
-Second person definition: second person indicates the addressee.
-Third person definition: third person indicates a third party individual other than the speaker.