Old Fashion Drugs-- Alcohol

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Posted By: Ed Ivey

Though some thrive on negative reinforcement, like counting number of posts, complete with dates and times.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff,

I rarely laugh out loud at what someone says here but that last comment made me do it--very funny.

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Posted By: Jeremy W.

Obviously there are many of the usual posters who want you to offer an ultimatum to Peter. I think it's ridiculous. No, actually it's not ridiculous, why don't you let everyone know that unless their post is considered worthy by a certain few, that there is no point in wasting their time?

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Posted By: leon

and I did....see my last post in the other thread, on this side, about the memorabilia side....and also my post on the memorabilia side....it is in fact time for Peter C to take a breather...not a formal one, as in banning, but a friendly request from me. Lets stay on topic and be very careful of inane (or is it "insane") posts, Peter.......kindest regards...moderator dude...

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

I think Peter may have started this topic in somewhat of a "casual" manner, however the topic of how alcohol may have influenced careers of the players we all admire from the pre-war era is a very interesting one in my opinion.

For example, allow me to quote an excerpt from "July 2, 1903", a biography of Ed Delehanty.

"Delahanty, drunk and disorderly, had been put off the train late one night at a way station just across the Niagara River from Buffalo, New York. Shortly afterward, he had plunged off the International Bridge into the waters below, where he was swept downriver and over the powerful waterfall...."

To this day, Delehanty remains very popular with collectors and those intrigued with his death. Whether it was a suicide or an accident, however, alchohol did play a prominant role in what happened. Many other ballplayers had their careers cut short or otherwise affected by drinking. I won't condemn Peter's thread (in this case anyways) as I believe the careers of the ballplayers on the cards we collect is not so off-topic as one might think but perhaps the topic could have been approached a little more sensibly.

-Brian McQueen

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Posted By: Paul S

Brian said: I won't condemn Peter's thread (in this case anyways) as I believe the careers of the ballplayers on the cards we collect is not so off-topic as one might think but perhaps the topic could have been approached a little more sensibly.

I think you're right Brian. Probably a related anecdote that he knows of, accompanied by a scan of the player's card of the subject, would have been good for the initial post.

"...however the topic of how alcohol may have influenced careers of the players we all admire from the pre-war era is a very interesting one in my opinion."


Me too. I'm curious about Germany Schaefer Did he hit the bottle or was he just born wacky? In specific, there is the example of him stealing second base, from there going backward and stealing back to first, and then stealing second again.



edited for italics and scan

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Here's a photo of Germany Schaefer goofing around in Cuba circa 1905-06...this came from the Matty McIntyre estate.

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Posted By: Paul S

Thanks Dan. I can't even tell -- are they supposed to be fishing? playing limbo? or what? What's that on the sidewalk to the left? Looks like a fabric toilet seat lid! (I know you likely have no answer to these questions)

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

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Posted By: leon

What would you be doing to give us a smile if it wasn't for Peter? (< note smiley face)....One other thing....this asking of Peter to calm down a little by me wasn't/isn't intended for anyone to think I don't like Peter. I do....though we have never met in person. Quite honestly if it were just up to me I wouldn't have asked anything of Peter C.....at least, yet

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Posted By: ItsOnlyGil

It don't look like goofin around to me. Each of them seems rather intent. The two squatting are clearly focused on whatever is at the end of the stick, while Germany is keeping careful watch on the cloth toilet seat.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

There were quite a few photos of Germany 'goofing' around in the Matty McIntyre album...in fact there were lots of photos of Schaefer period in that album. It makes me wonder about the divisions on those early Detroit teams since McIntyre was clearly very friendly with Schaefer and Schaefer was friendly with Ty Cobb, but McIntyre and Cobb hated each other perhaps more than any other two guys on that team.

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Posted By: Jerry Hrechka

One of my favorite Mickey Mantle stories (Not sure if it's true) -

Mickey Mantle: "SKIP - I'M SO HUNG OVER I"M SEEING THREE OF EVERYTHING".

Casey Stengel: "SWING AT THE BALL IN THE MIDDLE".

Edited to correct spelling.

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Posted By: Scott

I am interested in the topic of this post.

There was a few good responses before everyone started attacking Peter. It bothers me that some people here feel it necessary to attack someone who in my opinion isn't aggresive by nature. Keep posting Peter.

As mostly a lurker on this forum, I have learned that I can ignore the posts that I can't or don't want to respond to.

I don't have any pre-war stories of players who were drunkards, but would be interested in them.

Scott.

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Posted By: peter chao

Scot,

Thank you for your support, but aren't you worried that the Establishment will turn their back on you? I also thank those that e-mailed their support to me. For the time being the Establishment has won and we continue to plod along.

Peter C.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Peter- please answer this, who is the Establishment? That's a bit of a cryptic comment.

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Posted By: Scott

Peter,

Most of the 6-8 times I've ever posted on this board have been the last posts on a given thread. I'm the Net54 cooler.

I'm happy and content in life. The establishment feels empowered when they respond the way they do, but they really have no power.

Take care,

Scott.

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Posted By: pas

I don't think any of us who object to Pete C.'s excesses feels "empowered." Au contraire, we just resent his deliberate, spiteful efforts to "shake up" that which is working just fine.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Barry, of course the Establishment is The Man. You know, anyone who would want to keep a brilliant visionary/reactionary like Pete Chao off the boards so as to prevent him from turning the baseball card collecting community on its head. When I think of Pete I can only think of....

Shaft!

Who's the black private dick
That's a sex machine to all the chicks?
(Shaft!)
You're damn right

Who is the man
That would risk his neck for his brother man?
(Shaft!)
Can ya dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about
(Shaft!)
Right on

You see this cat Shaft is a bad mother--
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Shaft
(Then we can dig it)

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
(John Shaft)

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Posted By: E, Daniel

You leave me open mouthed.
If by establishment you mean hobbyists with exceptional knowledge about cards, and you have no real interest in their thoughts or the sharing of that knowledge...... I'm effing speechless.
Have you been lurking long enough to realize who actually has the information material to these discussions? Or does the topic bore you?

If you prefer a school yard forum where people can chat about something other than vintage cards - what are you doing here?
There's a place that sounds perfect for your interests. It's the CU board.


Daniel

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jeff- you actually know the lyrics to Shaft?

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Doesn't everyone?

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Posted By: pas

Looks like a cut and paste job to me.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

LOL. You would doubt my knowledge of all things Shaft?

Actually, it was cut and pasted. I guess those lyrics would be a tough thing to keep inside one's head for the past 30 years....

PS: Where the hell is Wonka when you need him?

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff--I knew all those lyrics-sang along the whole way. I love it when they say--this cat Shaft is one bad mother...shut yo mouth..but I just talkin about Shaft...and we can dig it.

Actually Peter remainds me of another black hero of the 70s--Superfly.

You're gonna make your fortune by and by
But if you lose, don't ask no questions why
Only game you know is do or die

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Jim, fair point. As a member of the Establishment you bring up Superfly -- another Man like Pete who wouldn't bow down to convention:

Hard to understand
What a hell of a man
This cat of the slum
Had a mind, wasn't dumb
But a weakness was shown
'Cause his hustle was wrong
His mind was his own
But the man lived alone

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

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Posted By: pas

Funny all these years I thought the phrase "and we can dig it" was "you're talking dirty"

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Posted By: barrysloate

Blaxploitation films were never my bag.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff,

Or as Peter would say on another cut off the Superfly album,



I'm so glad I've got my own
So glad that I can see
My life's a natural high
The man can put no thing on me

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

OK, I swear I just read Jim Crandell quoting 1970s funk lyrics on Net54.

I knew I shouldn't have put those mushrooms on my pizza.

-Al

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Posted By: peter chao

Guys,

If I'm such a one-man band, why bother responding to my earlier post with such venom?

Peter C.

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Posted By: Paul S

Al - Jim didn't even need to cut and paste!

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Posted By: barrysloate

Al- I can't even spell psilocybin (I looked it up)

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Posted By: barrysloate

Okay Peter, it's not venom, but- you called us all the Establishment? Is that good or bad? Am I part of it too? I asked you a question, and you ignored it. When I am asked a question, I respond. Thank you.

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Posted By: ScottIngold

To freak'n funny Jeff...... Where do you get this stuff ?

I could see Peter the esteemed attorney entering court dressed in the finest 70's pimp outfit. alla Starsky and Hutch...... I think his name was huggy bear. Not sure though.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Paul, he's not even quoting random lyrics - he's quoting lyrics that are relevant to this thread.

I'm scared.

-Al

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Al,

I'm changing my image--can't you tell?

Heck who else on this board has written down their top 1000 songs of all time in order and updates it every quarter....and probably knows almost every word to every one of them.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Jim:

What's #1?

-Al

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Posted By: JimCrandell

As far as 70s funk is concerned my top 1000 is filled with artists like the Ohio Players, BT Express, Earth, Wind & Fire, Kool & the Gang and Ric James.

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Posted By: Jim VB

Scot, et al,

<<I think his name was huggy bear.>>


Huggy Bear is correct. He was the pimp/informant on Starsky and Hutch. He passed away a few year ago.

What is his son doing for a living today?

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

No Sly?

P-Funk? Gotta have George Clinton and Bootsy Collins in there.

-Al

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Running back!

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Posted By: peter chao

Barry,

I appreciate you trying to be a peacemaker in this situation...but it's not necessary. I'm planning to become more low-key.

I've learned a lot from the Establishment on this Board and as a consequence I'm going to shape up.

Peter C.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Al,

Funny you should ask. Change as of September 30th--Late Night Radio by David Gray.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

In a cross examination a few years ago, I spent a few minutes dissecting the lyrics of the O'Jays' Backstabbers with an admitted killer.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Al,

Absolutely.

Tear the Roof off the Sucker by Parliament/Funkadelic is 72.

Sly hits the top 1,000 three times with Family Affair(426), I want to Take You Higher(615) and Dance to the Music(897).

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Posted By: Al Simeone

Thanks Dan I cant believe I just sat and watched that for 5+ minutes!! AND ONCE AGAIN PETER Cs. THREAD HAS JUMPED UP 10 SPOTS TO TAKE OVER THE NET54 CHARTS!! And now we all know why Leon still like him!!!
That peter C.
is one tuff dude you see
Yah shaft!!
canya dig it!!

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, why such thin skin? If you talk the talk you need to walk the walk. You think Che started pouting and gave up when the Bolivians made fun of his long hair and beret?

Seriously, we've all learned a lot from you too. Granted most of it was erroneous legal advice, but still.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff,

Great song. Love the O'Jays. My favorite OJays songs are Survival, For the Love of Money and Give the People What They Want.