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Old 06-09-2008, 02:19 PM
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Posted By: Bob Lemke

This set was listed in the Sugar "Bible" (and possibly the ACC) as F-338. I no longer have access to those books. Can anyone provide the information found therein? I believe there were 4-6 Indians listed in the Bible checklist, but don't recall a physical description. Does the ACC list the set? Any description? How about the old Johnny Sterling catalog?

I wanted to list this set in the Standard Catalog for over 20 years, but never had a photo. Before this weekend I had never seen one, not even in the big auctions.

Here's why I ask now . . . At SportsFest I saw a Larry Doby labeled SALEM'S POTATO CHIPS / F-338 / 1955-56. It was being sold by a long-time dealer in vintage cards, and one of the hobby's good guys. He told me the card had come from the collection of, and been attributed by, Dick Dobbins.

But, for the life of me, I can't see any difference between this putative Salem's "card" and the 1948 (and possibly other years) Cleveland Indians picture pack 6-1/2" x 9" of Doby. Sepia-ish portrait on cream sotck, blank-blank, facsimile autograph, etc.

Any thoughts?

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Bible #3 page 88 6 1/2 by 9, with a note that says they can't be distinguished from team issued cards.

Stirling lists two years 1955, 1956, and says identical to team issue.

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Old 06-09-2008, 03:27 PM
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Posted By: Bob Lemke

Then I gotta wonder on what basis Dick Dobbins labeled this an F-388. While the Indians switched to a more glossy stock in 1951 and a 6" x 8-3/4" size for team photo packs in their last year (1954), any of the players who were still there from circa 1948-50 would seem to be indistinguishable betwen the common team-issue and the "ultra-rare" Salem's.

I did question why a large-format "card" would have been a potato chip premium; i.e., how were they actually issued.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Hey Bob, I don't know much about the Indians potato chip cards, but I recently stumbled across some potato chip cards that I think may have been largely unknown in the hobby and considering they both have staple holes at the top I assume they were stapled to the top of the bag.

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Posted By: Art M.

Here is the description from the American Card Catalog (Burdick)
page 105.

F338 - BB Cards, Cleve. 1955-6, 6 x 9, B&W, as club issue, Salem Pot. Chips.
Priced at .10 cents.

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Old 06-09-2008, 07:21 PM
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Posted By: Rob D.

Bob,

It was at the Cincinnati show in either 1978 or '79, and I was at a dealer's table picking out some regionals of Indians (DanDees, Red Hearts, etc.). He asked me whether I was interested in a Salem Potato Chip (of a common player who I can't remember). I was pretty excited, because I'd never seen one but recalled seeing them listed in a few guides.

When he pulled out a photo-pack picture with a Salem's stamp on the back, I was crushed, simply because it wasn't what I expected. I passed on it, now knowing I wouldn't see another one offered during the next three decades. Did the one you saw this past weekend have a Salem's stamp on the reverse, because this one did. It immediately brought to mind the 1950 Num Num Potato Chips issue, which are simply the team-issue photos with a black stamp on the back.

As much as I love the 1952 Num Nums, I'm pretty cool on the 1950 issue (along with what's considered the Salem's) just because to me they seem like a repackaged imitation.

Mike Mosier of Columbia City Collectibles has two similar items, one of Luke Easter and the other of Dale Mitchell, which are described as "1952 Fleet Wing Gas cards." They're described as "6x9/thin stock/hand stamped," which to me translates as photo pack pictures that a business turned into a promotional product thanks to the aid of a hand stamp.

Thanks,

Rob

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In the u-l corner on back is scripted in pencil "Indians". At l-l corner is a more lightly pencilled F-338 (presumably by Dobbins).

I WAS expecting to see a back stamp ala the Num Nums.

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Bob,

If I'm reading your posts correctly and judging by the front of the photo, there is nothing -- except for the hand-written notations on the reverse -- to distinguish the Doby from being anything other than a common picture-pack photo, correct?

You'd think there would be something tangible that would have prompted the notations that this is indeed a Salem's Potato Chip card.

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

My only thought on a possible distinguishing feature is the "Indians" scripted on back in pencil. Why would anyone need to add the team name? Even if that WAS a Salem's "mark" it would be too easy to fake to be a useful diagnostic.

If you saw a back stamp years ago, that must be what sets the Salem apart.

Too bad we can't channel Dick Dobbins via Oujia board.

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