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Old 04-22-2020, 01:54 PM
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Default Goldin auction 33 Lajoie psa 9! What does it go for?

Any thoughts on ending price? I'm thinking this might be a good benchmark for the current high end market .


Not a card that comes up for sale that often in a no reserve auction format.


https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/Lo...entoryid=58346


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Old 04-22-2020, 02:01 PM
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Is it just me how does that grade a 9?









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Old 04-22-2020, 02:09 PM
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Is it just me, or do the colors look a little faded?
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Old 04-22-2020, 02:12 PM
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Looks pretty sharp to me
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Old 04-22-2020, 03:48 PM
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Is it just me how does that grade a 9?
Really old grade before they downgraded centering as much as they do now. It's what, 70/30 Left to right, at best? Might qualify as a straight 8. PSA doesn't really downgrade for toning.

Didn't most of these get paper-clipped to letters and sent in the mail to kids that complained? Quite possible it was also steamed to remove the paper clip indent if it had one.

Also, previous Goldin sale of exact same card:
11/5/2016 $228,000.00 9 11 Goldin Auctions Inaugural Great American Trading Card Auction- Closing October 1 Auction 02002301
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Old 04-22-2020, 04:30 PM
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will they try and sell that over graded card? this is like the 4th time in 10yrs......not a fan of secret hidden reserves
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It's always fun to look at the history of what these cards have sold for. The first photo with front and back is the card offered by Goldin Auction. Then going backward in time with PSA9 examples sold by Heritage, the first sold in January 2019 for $264K, then November 2017 for $144K, and finally February 2017 for $204K. These price variations make it hard to guess what the final hammer price will be on this example.
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Old 04-22-2020, 06:02 PM
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yes,, Ive ran into that Heritage " hidden reserve" in the past
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Old 04-22-2020, 06:18 PM
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That is a brutal PSA 9. No idea what it will sell for but it has mid grade eye appeal.
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Old 04-22-2020, 09:08 PM
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Really old grade before they downgraded centering as much as they do now. It's what, 70/30 Left to right, at best? Might qualify as a straight 8. PSA doesn't really downgrade for toning.

Didn't most of these get paper-clipped to letters and sent in the mail to kids that complained? Quite possible it was also steamed to remove the paper clip indent if it had one.

Also, previous Goldin sale of exact same card:
11/5/2016 $228,000.00 9 11 Goldin Auctions Inaugural Great American Trading Card Auction- Closing October 1 Auction 02002301
There's 91 graded 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie cards in the PSA population report (not sure how many, if any, graded by SGC or Beckett) including 6 qualified examples, with over 30% of those graded earning NM 7 honours or better.

NM 7 - 13 cards
NM-MT 8 - 7 cards
NM-MT+ 8.5 - 1 card
MINT 9 - 9 cards

I could be wrong, but if memory serves, Jefferson Burdick received an envelope during the era the cards were released directly from Goudey with at least 10 Lajoies, and he dispersed most to prominent collectors at the time, including Lionel Carter. This would account for a number of the high grade examples in the hobby.
..... again, I could be remembering this wrong.
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Old 04-22-2020, 09:31 PM
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Compared to those other examples the card sure looks faded to me.
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Any thoughts on ending price? I'm thinking this might be a good benchmark for the current high end market .


Not a card that comes up for sale that often in a no reserve auction format.


https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/Lo...entoryid=58346


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Early Gift Grade. I agree with you, it's way OC...doesn't fit for a 9 Grade.

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Its faded and no way deserving of a 9. Wonder who the submitter was? My guess is that card has spent some time in the water
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Dumb question maybe, but how does that get in a new holder if it's an old 9 where the centering criteria is not met for how they grade today? Just because it's a Lajoie and it would obviously lower the value? I know people who send in older questionable grades for a reholder, Mantles for example - and PSA says sorry, we don't think this is a 7 anymore, it's coming back in a 6 slab and we'll make up the difference. Am I just being naive?
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Dumb question maybe, but how does that get in a new holder if it's an old 9 where the centering criteria is not met for how they grade today?
Because they don't reevalute the grade on a Reholder, unless the holder is cracked or there's some other major issue (like they spot a pinhole). If the buyer wanted to have it Reviewed instead, PSA could declare it a 7 or 8 and be liable for the difference in value. Then again, they could confirm the grade (which they've been doing lately with PSA trimmed cards in PWCC auctions) and not be liable for anything.
But I can be sure whoever is buying this card is doing it for the 9 grade, undeserved that it is, and not the card itself.
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Dumb question maybe, but how does that get in a new holder if it's an old 9 where the centering criteria is not met for how they grade today? Just because it's a Lajoie and it would obviously lower the value? I know people who send in older questionable grades for a reholder, Mantles for example - and PSA says sorry, we don't think this is a 7 anymore, it's coming back in a 6 slab and we'll make up the difference. Am I just being naive?
You really think PSA would voluntarily hand out 5 figures to pay the difference?
You gotta think how much is at stake here.
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How many people crapping on this card will be bidding on it and are trying to push the price down? Asking for a friend.
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15 posts, one couldnt wager a guess, or an opening bid. That's just my guess
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How many people crapping on this card will be bidding on it and are trying to push the price down? Asking for a friend.
I couldn't come close to affording it even if it went for a steal, and the "crapping" on that in a 9 slab IMO is very much deserved.
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Because they don't reevalute the grade on a Reholder.
I guess that's what I missed. In the example I was thinking of, someone sent in a Mantle in- but it must have been for a review in addition to a reholder. I agree they should stand by an original grade, but the whole thing just feels shady.
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Compared to those other examples the card sure looks faded to me.
PSA doesn’t always downgrade for fading. Just look at some high gradeOld Judge cards as examples.
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Looks like Goldin posted better scans. Those heritage scans look amazingly bright. I havent seen any psa 9s in person for comparison.

Nobody wagers a guess? I'll say 250k with bP
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There's 91 graded 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie cards in the PSA population report (not sure how many, if any, graded by SGC or Beckett) including 6 qualified examples, with over 30% of those graded earning NM 7 honours or better.

NM 7 - 13 cards
NM-MT 8 - 7 cards
NM-MT+ 8.5 - 1 card
MINT 9 - 9 cards

I could be wrong, but if memory serves, Jefferson Burdick received an envelope during the era the cards were released directly from Goudey with at least 10 Lajoies, and he dispersed most to prominent collectors at the time, including Lionel Carter. This would account for a number of the high grade examples in the hobby.
..... again, I could be remembering this wrong.


It makes me wonder how many of those should rightfully be graded "Authentic". That is a ridiculous percentage for a 1933 issue, no matter how they were dispersed.
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PSA doesn’t always downgrade for fading. Just look at some high gradeOld Judge cards as examples.
How PSA decides whether a characteristic enhances, detracts from or has no impact upon a card's grade is entirely subjective. And that to me is the prime idiocy of TPG having any role other than opining whether a card is authentic and unaltered. Without exaggeration, for some issues I would rather have a 1 than a 10.

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