Card Found

[MattyC]

Card found.

[Sean1125]

I wish you had told me this 6 months ago. I would have put more effort into finding one for you.

[GregC]

I've got gravity spikes. Any finders fee for those?

[MattyC]

Well played, Greg. But of course you know SEAN has the gravity spikes. And he will always tell you when he has them.

[tjenkins]

There is a couple on eBay, probably over priced!

PSA 7
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-TOPPS-N...YAAOSwHnFVivBO

PSA 6
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-TOPPS-8...gAAOSwnipWbFKQ

[MattyC]

Thanks, Todd. Saw those but the centering on both is just too off to pull the trigger. Appreciate the heads up.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Only have an anemic 5.5.

[tjenkins]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Thanks, Todd. Saw those but the centering on both is just too off to pull the trigger. Appreciate the heads up.

I kinda figured so. I love the 53 Mantle. I actually collect o/c cards and I wish I could afford the 7. I currently have a PSA 4. Good luck in your search!

[pawpawdiv9]

Thats a nice 5.5 there Peter...defintely better centering that what Heritage has.
They got a nice PSA 7 coming up Jan 29th, but i know MattyC wont like the L-R centering on it. They also have another..a sgc70/5.5 pic unavailable 4/21 but based on the description, the centering may be off too.
But you should look at the MEMORY LANE preview----
THEY GOT A GORGOUS PSA 8.5 starting bid 17,500
http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bi...a-4af0cd431d75


They got several HIGH GRADE MANTLES!!!!

[Highstep74]

Minimum Bid: $8,000.00
Current Bid: $18,868.00
Number Bids: 10

[Highstep74]

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[Highstep74]

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[jeff8877]

Hi Matty,

Just thought would post a pic of mine that took years to run down. At some point I may sell my whole 53 set. I am also a huge centering nut on the high end cards.

Jeff

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[1952boyntoncollector]

theres a 8.5 on Memory lane if you want to pay 20k+

[MattyC]

20k+? I wish. But surely you jest. That card will go for much, much higher, is my expectation. I am actively bidding on it, but don't have my hopes up. A few weeks ago, I jotted down my gut instinct on where I think each Mick on that auction will end, so am very curious to see how the dust settles on this auction.

Jeff: great card. Seeing all these nice ones I'd love to have is like torture, LOL.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

20k+? I wish. But surely you jest. That card will go for much, much higher, is my expectation. I am actively bidding on it, but don't have my hopes up. A few weeks ago, I jotted down my gut instinct on where I think each Mick on that auction will end, so am very curious to see how the dust settles on this auction.

Jeff: great card. Seeing all these nice ones I'd love to have is like torture, LOL.

right I wasn't going to look up the market value..just put a + over the 20k...I really meant 20k to a million...just more than the current bid price at the time .

[MattyC]

Bump-- throwing another fiddy bucks into the bounty pool. If you know someone who has one, holler. Thx.

[Jdoggs]

there's a nicely centered sgc 88 at goodwin auctions.

[1952boyntoncollector]

You might as well say the top price you will pay for the card for the grade....if the person has the card he will sell it to you and if someone knows someone that may have the card they get their own finders fee if you know what I mean...

offering 300 over market for a card in a private collection isn't going to happen for a card in the 1000s...I assuming you know all the auctions so the only way a finder fee applies is with a card in a private collection who could list the card at auction for market price any time they want...heck the 300 wont even cover the buyers premium for someone selling it at auction.....

[MattyC]

Jake, appreciate the help and thanks for the opinion, but I don't put a number out without seeing a card; I believe each and every card is unique, and I will pay a lot more for one card than another in the same grade, depending on the card's eye appeal.

The $300 is for anyone who helps me find the card, be it one owned by a friend of theirs, one they find in a local shop, one at an AH with which I am currently unfamiliar, etc. To be clear, it is not me saying to an owner, "Let me pay you VCP average, and by the way here's an extra $300, deal?"

If an owner contacts me directly and has a card I want, he will see right away from my opening offer that I am a serious buyer, happy to pay a top of the market or even record price, and ideally we'll come to an agreement that satisfies us both.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Jake, appreciate the help and thanks for the opinion, but I don't put a number out without seeing a card; I believe each and every card is unique, and I will pay a lot more for one card than another in the same grade, depending on the card's eye appeal.

The $300 is for anyone who helps me find the card, be it one owned by a friend of theirs, one they find in a local shop, one at an AH with which I am currently unfamiliar, etc. To be clear, it is not me saying to an owner, "Let me pay you VCP average, and by the way here's an extra $300, deal?"

If an owner contacts me directly and has a card I want, he will see right away from my opening offer that I am a serious buyer, happy to pay a top of the market or even record price, and ideally we'll come to an agreement that satisfies us both.

so which AHs are you familiar with....that way no confusion if someone finds you a card at an AH and you say 'oh I am familiar with that one'

also didn't say anything about VCP average just asked you the most you would be willing to pay for a grade.best case scenario so people will know the upper limits which may help pry a card out of someones collection..but of course you not held to that amount, you would have to see the card of course and take it from there offer wise

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

20k+? I wish. But surely you jest. That card will go for much, much higher, is my expectation. I am actively bidding on it, but don't have my hopes up. A few weeks ago, I jotted down my gut instinct on where I think each Mick on that auction will end, so am very curious to see how the dust settles on this auction.

Jeff: great card. Seeing all these nice ones I'd love to have is like torture, LOL.

the Goodwin sgc 8 is till in the low 20ks, you got to be the high bidder at least for now at that price..unless you downgrade the sgc to the psa 7+ level

[pawpawdiv9]

Just sent ya a PM on a lead. Its a Beckett 7, but by BMW..not sure you like a tiny, tiny tilt.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Thats a nice 5.5 there Peter...defintely better centering that what Heritage has.
They got a nice PSA 7 coming up Jan 29th, but i know MattyC wont like the L-R centering on it. They also have another..a sgc70/5.5 pic unavailable 4/21 but based on the description, the centering may be off too.
But you should look at the MEMORY LANE preview----
THEY GOT A GORGOUS PSA 8.5 starting bid 17,500
http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bi...a-4af0cd431d75


They got several HIGH GRADE MANTLES!!!!

this card in my opinion looks highly over graded...big time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

this card in my opinion looks highly over graded...big time.

Top corners on back do not really look like 8.5 in the brave new world of excruciatingly tough standards.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Top corners on back do not really look like 8.5 in the brave new world of excruciatingly tough standards.

The way the stock market is getting hammered you may just want to wait on the high dollar cards and grab them a bit later..

[Iron Horse]

Looks more like a 7-7.5
if i sent this card in i would get a 6.5

As they say, buy the card not the holder

[Jdoggs]

mattyc did you end up getting a 53 mantle yet?

[MattyC]

Still lookin'. Amazing how tough the centering is on this card.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Card found.

where you get the card? lets see it..

[pokerplyr80]

I'm curious as well. What did you end up getting?

[ZiggerZagger]

I know the card was found, but check out this PSA 6.5 with sweet centering that went up earlier today. BIN at $8150.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291660827341...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

What's the consensus, fair price given the new reality of recent sales?

[jmb]

The 6.5 above is very nicely centered but the whole top left of the card looks stained.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by jmb

The 6.5 above is very nicely centered but the whole top left of the card looks stained.

+1. I noticed that too.

[ZiggerZagger]

Originally Posted by jmb

The 6.5 above is very nicely centered but the whole top left of the card looks stained.

Yeah, I've seen a few other '53T Mantles with the same stain in the upper left corner, to varying degrees. This one is a bit more expansive. Must have been a factory issue. All the more interested to see where this one shakes out.

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=ZiggerZagger;1492090]I know the card was found, but check out this PSA 6.5 with sweet centering that went up earlier today. BIN at $8150.



What's the consensus, fair price given the new reality of recent sales?

(Plus need to factor in the stock market)

[111gecko]

What is the market value for a nicely centered 7 anymore? Probably one of my favorite cards in my collection.

[ZiggerZagger]

Amazing card, as always Gary!

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by 111gecko

What is the market value for a nicely centered 7 anymore? Probably one of my favorite cards in my collection.

Great card. That's the grade I just bought. The market for it definitely robusto!

[KCRfan1]

Matty,

When are you going to unveil the card? Inquiring minds want to know!

[MattyC]

Thx, brotha. When I get it in hand I will def post a pic. Feel it's bad juju otherwise I've been on cloud 9 since my buddy came through with it

Regarding that 6.5, that is a very handsome card; with centered 7s fetching $19,000+ these days, the jump really happens from 6 to 7 grade-- thus a 6.5 is a nice value.

I was initially tempted to make an offer on that 6.5 when I saw it in my auto search, since the centering is gorgeous, but for me personally the stain is a bit too much considering I already found one. If I didn't have one, I would probably have tried to bring that 6.5 home. I wonder if it merited the ST qualifier at a higher number grade, but the non-qualified status was chosen at the time of grading? Regardless it presents really nicely. If it didn't have that blotch I would be all over it and have doubles! An extra 53T could be a nice trade chip should a nice 62T surface!

[Peter_Spaeth]

19K for a 7 these days? The world has gone mad lol. About a year ago I paid well less than 10 percent of that for this one. What happened to buy the card not the flip?

[KCRfan1]

Really nice card Pete! Sounds like the card was well bought too!

[arexcrooke]

Congrats Matt! Looking forward to seeing the Mantle!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

19K for a 7 these days? The world has gone mad lol. About a year ago I paid well less than 10 percent of that for this one. What happened to buy the card not the flip?

the POP may really start to change in the 7s ....like green cobbs the POP really changes in the 5s and higher..

You can still get a 5 in the 2000s so don't imagine a 5.5 really goes for that much more as half grades tend to sell for much closer to the lower grade than the higher..i have seen 2 grades mean 7-10x difference in price happens all the time

[Peter_Spaeth]

156 7s.
90 8s.

And that it happens doesn't make it rational IMO, particularly if one is collecting cards not flips.

[1952boyntoncollector]

dup

[1952boyntoncollector]

right 4s and 5's are both in the upper 400s...counting half grades that's 1000 cards for 4s and 5s together which have close to an equal amount each...

6s about 300 cards

only 250 from 7s and highers...it would look the break point for a big jump would be a 7 and higher..so makes sense to be a multiplier at the 7 or more level..


Happens with goudey ruths generaly.. PSA 1, 1000 PSA 2 2000, PSA 3 3000 essential even 4s go for basically 4000-4300...than at 5 'bang' can be 7000+ a multiplier as well..

The bang number with the 1953 Mantle is a 7...but maybe 6 is getting into play, who knows.....but certainly not at the 4-5 level with 1000 cards...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right 4s and 5's are both in the upper 400s...counting half grades that's 1000 cards for 4s and 5s together which have close to an equal amount each...

6s about 300 cards

only 250 from 7s and highers...it would look the break point for a big jump would be a 7 and higher..so makes sense to be a multiplier at the 7 or more level..


Happens with goudey ruths generaly.. PSA 1, 1000 PSA 2 2000, PSA 3 3000 essential even 4s go for basically 4000-4300...than at 5 'bang' can be 7000+ a multiplier as well..

The bang number with the 1953 Mantle is a 7...but maybe 6 is getting into play, who knows.....but certainly not at the 4-5 level with 1000 cards...

A year and a half ago 7s were going for 4K. If you think a 4-5x increase in that short a time is sustainable, I would disagree with you. And a year and a half ago, presumably with similar pop ratios, a 7 was maybe 3x a 5.

[jmb]

Originally Posted by MattyC

An extra 53T could be a nice trade chip should a nice 62T surface!

Jeff @ Card Country has a really nice PSA8 62.