1980-present variations

[CJtheCollector]

Recently bought an unopened box of 1986 Topps. Halfway through opening the packs and I've pulled the Roger Clemens, Tom Seaver and Terry Puhl. Anyone interested?

[butchie_t]

PM sent.

B.T.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by CJtheCollector

Recently bought an unopened box of 1986 Topps. Halfway through opening the packs and I've pulled the Roger Clemens, Tom Seaver and Terry Puhl. Anyone interested?

Post the Seaver and Clements as well, I'd like to see them all.

Butch

[CJtheCollector]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Post the Seaver and Clements as well, I'd like to see them all.

Butch

Thanks for the reply. I'll pm all three to ya. I received some kind advice to get them authenticated and graded for the good of myself and a buyer. I'll send them off this week and keep ya posted. Thanks for the input.

[4reals]

My 1986 Topps Fielder sequence. Partial border missing. #2 is the most difficult to find.





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[butchie_t]

Nice finds Joe.....you are killing me Smalls!

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by 4reals

My 1986 Topps Fielder sequence. Partial border missing. #2 is the most difficult to find.





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Great find!

Many, many years ago, early into my variation obsession, I sorted a few 3200cts of 1986 Topps and found about a dozen or so players with recurring black ink issues on the reverse: partial or missing stats, bio info, etc. Similar to this where some had three distinct misprinting types. I can't recall who they were now but it seems like 1986 had a lot of black plate problems.

[butchie_t]

I picked up this little gem yesterday. It will stay entombed.

Some see print defects while others see variations. YMMV!

The scratches on the front are on the slab and not the card

Cheers,

Butch

[G1911]

Little more than a print dot! That's a cool one. The Donruss is my favorite of the early Griffey's for some reason.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by G1911

Little more than a print dot! That's a cool one. The Donruss is my favorite of the early Griffey's for some reason.

It looks more natural than the UD and I believe has a better upside too.

Thanks,

Butch

[Elberson]

Very cool print variation.
Pink on the hands
Pink on the helmet
Faded blue ink in rated rookie
And the really cool pink streaking after RR

[swarmee]

Hall of Fame rookie recurring print defect?


1982 Topps - [Base] #21 - Future Stars - Bobby Bonner, Cal Ripken Jr., Jeff Schneider
Courtesy of COMC.com

Oval blob next to Bonner's mouth.

[DVCARDS]

No Bowman logo or Eric Chavez name

[swarmee]

That's just a missing foil card. They're pretty common and not specific to certain players. Just whenever a sheet didn't go through the foiling process.


1997 Bowman - [Base] - Missing Foil #11.mif - Bernard Gilkey
Courtesy of COMC.com

[4reals]

Just realized every 1980 Topps Goose Gossage card is missing black ink at the top right border. I suppose this would be the rare occurrence where a copy of it printed correctly would be the scarce print variation. I haven’t yet seen one.




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[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by 4reals

Just realized every 1980 Topps Goose Gossage card is missing black ink at the top right border. I suppose this would be the rare occurrence where a copy of it printed correctly would be the scarce print variation. I haven’t yet seen one.




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Cool! I wonder who his neighbor is. Can't find a photo of the D* sheet.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Cool! I wonder who his neighbor is. Can't find a photo of the D* sheet.

It’s Mark Wagner and his border lines are normal.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

It’s Mark Wagner and his border lines are normal.

Thanks Cliff!

[4reals]

Likely not a print roller mistake as all are like that and adjoining card is not. Probably a design mistake effecting every example.


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Originally Posted by rgpete

Ken Griffey Jr a print spot on his pants leg

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[RonSportscards]

Mixed in a card lot I won at auction, was a '91 Topps baseball Desert Shield card. Took out the ole black light to find it was a glow back.

So are all the Desert Shield cards glow backs?

Also do the Desert Shield cards have a mix of light and bold anniversary logos on the back, like the base Topps baseball set?

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by RonSportscards

Mixed in a card lot I won at auction, was a '91 Topps baseball Desert Shield card. Took out the ole black light to find it was a glow back.

So are all the Desert Shield cards glow backs?

Also do the Desert Shield cards have a mix of light and bold anniversary logos on the back, like the base Topps baseball set?

They are all glow backs but I believe a handful of anomalies have been found by members here.

All A* and B* sheet players have bold logos. Any from those sheets with a normal 40th logo are fakes.

[RonSportscards]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

They are all glow backs but I believe a handful of anomalies have been found by members here.

All A* and B* sheet players have bold logos. Any from those sheets with a normal 40th logo are fakes.

Perfect! Thank you.

[wpeters]

I came across these two recently. I initially thought it was paper loss, but it is actually a white area on the border. It got even better when I put them together.

[wpeters]

There was something really funky with the red ink on this one.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by wpeters

There was something really funky with the red ink on this one.

That was a kid with crayons or markers 50+ years ago.

[mogwai316]

Weird colors on this 1981 Topps Mike Hargrove. I don't think it is "blackless" since there is black in the card text but the image, border and hat icon are all really bleached out looking. (also apparently this is what goes for "NM" on sportlots)

Compare to what it should look like: https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/si...-Mike-Hargrove

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by mogwai316

Weird colors on this 1981 Topps Mike Hargrove. I don't think it is "blackless" since there is black in the card text but the image, border and hat icon are all really bleached out looking. (also apparently this is what goes for "NM" on sportlots)

Could be missing the yellow pass, or just sun fading since yellow is the first one to go.

[4reals]

1982 Ted Simmons #150. Line under 1972. I threw up a second copy I own to show it is reoccurring. **EDIT** after a quick visit to COMC it appears this is already a variation known by collectors, I was apparently in the dark on it.





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[swarmee]

But yours also has a second line in the 1969 year. Is that live ink or a possible 2nd recurring variation?

[4reals]

Not live ink but 82 seems to consistently have dark fibers in their card stock throughout the set. This looks like one of those “eyelash” fibers.


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[swarmee]

I thought of that, but I figured it was too coincidental because of the black line below it.

[G1911]

Simmons was discovered earlier in this thread and added to COMC in post 142. None of my copies have the 1969 line as well though, maybe there are 3 versions here. The 1972 line recurs frequently

[JLange]

Going through some 1984 Donruss cards and came across two Bruce Hurst cards, one of which shows a rather distinct redness on his face, like a bad sunburn. Very odd as no other colors are impacted on card.

[4reals]

1981 Donruss #373 Steve Nicosia





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[frankhardy]

I know this one is reoccurring because I have 2 of them. There is a light blue "blotch" at the top left corner of this 1988 Donruss Mark McGwire Diamond King.

Wondering if any of you have seen any of these?

[4reals]

1981 Fleer Joe Torre #325 eyelash at left border





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[4reals]

1981 Fleer Bill Lee #157 dark dot/light dot





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[JustinD]

Originally Posted by 4reals

1981 Fleer Bill Lee #157 dark dot/light dot

Maybe that should be the "UFO in the outfield" version for the Spaceman.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Maybe that should be the "UFO in the outfield" version for the Spaceman.

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[butchie_t]

There is a nice article on cardlines dot com regarding the 1990 Topps Variations.

Here is the link: https://cardlines.com/there-is-more-...u-might-think/

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

There is a nice article on cardlines dot com regarding the 1990 Topps Variations.

Here is the link: https://cardlines.com/there-is-more-...u-might-think/

I could be wrong but this reads like AI/ChatGPT "content."

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

I could be wrong but this reads like AI/ChatGPT "content."

nope, just read the article. Just made the post.

THIS IS A RECORDING

Butch

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

nope, just read the article. Just made the post.

THIS IS A RECORDING

Butch

Im not sure what you mean but I will clarify what I said: the "publisher" of this site uses a writing marketing agency for these articles which contain mostly content from other published articles and discussions online, usually verbatim and without citation. This is common in creating "content" online using ChatGPT and other AI systems. The rampant typos also point to this. Everything you read in that article probably came from other people/several different sources but was prompted through software to present as a new article. I am not a fan of it whatsoever.

This site has already poached my work several times over such as my variation lists on junkwaxgems.com and my talking points in the beckett interview I did for 1991 Topps in their article for that set. There is very little actual writing or investigative work done by the "authors."

[cardcop]

Sorry about caps, both keyboard shift keys broken. These are my favorite errors picked up from 1989-2008; most on ebay for under $3.00 each!

This 1989 Topps bob welch error missing the stat line is a blank front!
WelchERR.jpg

I don't own this razor blade one, but it created quite a stir when it wound up on eBay.
99UDFBDarnayScottCRAZYError.jpg

i pulled this myself from a pack; 04 fleer multi-signed insert (of ROY) to put into full cards- wrong player signed???
04FleerABerroaAUTOErrors.jpg

1992 Bowman Palmeiro w/upside down base Topps QB player on back (one of my favs)
92BowmanPalmeiroERR Front Back.jpg

Base Topps baseball player w/Mike Alstott gold foil name on front (love this being an a-train fan)
AlstottERR.jpg

1991 UD fielder A.S. W/Cyan only 91-92 hockey player on back
cecilUDerror.jpg

Thought you'd get a kick out of these...:d

James

[butchie_t]

I'm still looking for the Welch 89T partial black stat line. Something tells me I will never find that one.

Nice cards!

Butch

[Cliff Bowman]

I've known about this one for a year or two but I finally got around to finding a couple on eBay after searching through hundreds of 1983 Topps Dave Winfield cards. The ink blob perfectly obliterates his home run totals for three consecutive years. Not exceedingly rare but certainly not common either.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

I've spent an embarrassingly large amount of time and money studying the 1990 Donruss set. I'm up to about ten 20-box cases, six 10-box cases, and countless rack cases. I've sorted each by case code in a spreadsheet so I could see the chronology of the E&Vs.

I started with the known list of E&Vs, which was pretty cut and dry. Then I began ripping packs and examining every card. If a card had "error or variation" material to it, it got put to the side. If another example was found in a different case from a different seller, it got added to the list. Once it got added to the list, I began accruing them.

The most interesting thing about this set is that it didn't follow the conventional "rare errors are in the earliest boxes" standard. As Donruss went in to correct one EorV, they inadvertently created two more. This process repeated itself over and over.

It's important to recognize just how nonexistent their QC was. It's as if someone called a week before product was due and said "Oh yeah, by the way, we've got to produce a baseball card set for distribution in a week." That, plus the smallest puzzle piece of the era and one of the tightest wraps just laid waste to those bright red borders. A significant portion of the earliest printing got multiple coats of red and are now known as the Magenta Run.

People always ask me "So which ones are the rarest?" Honestly, I don't feel comfortable making that kind of statement yet. What I can tell you is, the Harold Baines Line in Front of Star was in distribution for one day, and it just so happened to be the same day Donruss corrected the "AS Experience" / "Recent ML Experience" errors on the back of the All-Star cards. Theorize with that all you'd like.

I've accrued five more cases that I need to rip and will hopefully get to soon. I know these will never be worth anything but this set captivated me as a kid and was my introduction to "error boxes." I mean, this set had it all: reverse negatives, missing black lines on the back, wrong wording on every All-Star card, Nolan Ryan's switched backs, a line through the front of an All Star, wrong photos, cropping differences, and checklists variations.

Sitting in the LCS watching he grown ups rip the expensive packs and seeing each one of them gush over each error they pulled was fascinating to me. Not to mention those bright red colors and the chase to pull a Ben McDonald Rated Rookie. Every penny I spend on this endeavor is like flushing it down the drain but it's so much fun I simply don't care.

When it's all said and done, '90 Donruss will probably be the most fertile E&V set of the era (and that's not counting splatter patterns or "INC" [no period]).

And please, be a responsible collector. If you see someone advertising a Donruss card as an error because it doesn't have a period after "INC" do the right thing, kick them in the jublees.

Arthur

[ALR-bishop]

How many cards do I need for a master 90 Donruss set Arthur ?

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

How many cards do I need for a master 90 Donruss set Arthur ?

That all depends on how hardcore you want to go. I haven't actually searched for "No Period" cards but I don't see them as vital to a master set, even though they fit the description of a variation perfectly.

I feel like I'll end up coming around on the splatter patterns because they're isolated to only certain subsets, from what I hear.

I've got 208 cards on my E&V list. I'd imagine a master set would clear 2k rather easily (on a 660 set, too).

Arthur