T212 1910 Obak Master Front-Back Checklist

[markf31]

A number of years ago I started to collect Obaks focusing mostly on the 1909 series and the 1910 series. Like most of my interests or goals, things changed with my collection and I pivoted to other interests. But recently my interest in the T212 1910 series has been rekindled. I did a search for a master front/back checklist but I could not find anything. So I took some time and after some internet sleuthing I was able to pull together a master front/back combination checklist.

Vintagecardboard.com which is a now a defunct website, had a simple and rather difficult to use basic table of the front/back combinations known at the time. The last cached version of the site I was able to access was dated from 2010 so much of the information in my table is over 10 years and and new combinations may have come to light since then...but this is a good enough start for me. Im sure after posting this someone will point out that there was an existing checklist and I simply overlooked it but I figured I would share my work anyways.

Here is the link to my checklist in Google Documents. Anyone can open and download the table so please feel free too.

T212 1910 Front/Back Master Checklist

And a couple pretty T212 pics to look at as well.

[Casey2296]

Wow, super helpful spreadsheet Mark, especially for us Obak fans. Thank you for posting.

[t213]

Great checklist! I'm comparing my set against it. I found one not on the checklist:

Armbruster (175) "Always with Mouthpieces"

[nolemmings]

Thanks for the work. I don't know if the website you cited had any connection to VCBC, but there was a checklist compiled years ago by Jeff Obermyer in the Jan and March 2001 issues. Quite possible there are changes since then of course, but have you cross-checked against that list?

[markf31]

Originally Posted by t213

Great checklist! I'm comparing my set against it. I found one not on the checklist:

Armbruster (175) "Always with Mouthpieces"

I have updated the checklist, thanks for the information.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Thanks for the work. I don't know if the website you cited had any connection to VCBC, but there was a checklist compiled years ago by Jeff Obermyer in the Jan and March 2001 issues. Quite possible there are changes since then of course, but have you cross-checked against that list?

I believe the checklist I was working off of, which can be found here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100518...bkbk.htm#x1911

Is an updated version of the checklist that was printed in VCBC in the early 2000s:

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by markf31

I believe the checklist I was working off of, which can be found here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100518...bkbk.htm#x1911

Is an updated version of the checklist that was printed in VCBC in the early 2000s:

The January, 2001 VCBC provided a checklist by back totals only, i.e. not a list that associated backs with individual players. However, in the accompanying article Obermeyer states "When VCBC published my updated checklist (presumably the 2000 list in your scan), I asked the readers to help out and to send any additions that they had to me. I received 9 responses containing another 77 combinations, bringing the list of known combinations to 584--that's roughly a 40% increase to what was originally reported in the World Index".

I can't find my copy of the March 2001 VCBC right now to see what further elaboration might be there. Does your checklist show 584 (or more) different?

Thanks again for the work--it's always nice to have a working spreadsheet when dealing with a set this massive.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

The January, 2001 VCBC provided a checklist by back totals only, i.e. not a list that associated backs with individual players. However, in the accompanying article Obermeyer states "When VCBC published my updated checklist (presumably the 2000 list in your scan), I asked the readers to help out and to send any additions that they had to me. I received 9 responses containing another 77 combinations, bringing the list of known combinations to 584--that's roughly a 40% increase to what was originally reported in the World Index".

I can't find my copy of the March 2001 VCBC right now to see what further elaboration might be there. Does your checklist show 584 (or more) different?

Thanks again for the work--it's always nice to have a working spreadsheet when dealing with a set this massive.

Thats some good information there. The count in my sheet comes to just 513 so it would seem there are some holes to fill. Perhaps the March issue of VCBC will provide some more information, you dont think it contained an updated list...or you're just not sure?

Keep me posted if you find it, Im off to find a copy of that issue on Ebay perhaps.

[markf31]

I found a copy of the March article which does contain a new table of combinations. I will work this evening to incorporate that updated list into mine. I'll post here again when it completed. Thanks!

[nolemmings]

Great Mark--keep up the good work. I don't even collect Obaks, but I always love it when set info is developed and fleshed out. I started to save and organize scans from the 1910 set, but put it on hold a year or so ago. As you can see, I am not even halfway:
https://imageevent.com/imoverhere/scans/1910obak

BTW, I did not review your list closely and it's possible collectors couldn't care less, but have you noticed whether individual player/back combinations can carry the two different frame back designs. or instead is each such combination found with only one?

[markf31]

So I was able to get my checklist updated with the checklist that was printed in the March 2001 issue of VCBC and my checklist is now up to 566 combinations.

While Jeff Obermyer stated in the March 2001 article that his table was up to 586 combinations, the player list checklist printed in that issue only shows 560 combinations, but the other table printed in that issue, updating how many of each back there are does total up to 586.

So it would seem his player list checklist never got updated in print unfortunately, and so the checklist I have pulled together is missing 20 combinations or so. Perhaps board members will help fill in some of these apparent 20 holes.

[markf31]

Some updates have been made to the table as a board member sent me 6 missing combinations, this pushes the total to 572 combinations.

[G1911]

Thank you for putting this together and publicly sharing the results. Sometimes I think checklisting master sets is as much fun as actually getting the cards

[markf31]

Three more combinations have been added from a board member. The total number of front/back combinations now stands at 575.