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Old 06-09-2024, 02:49 PM
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I can't even imagine what the spread is like for someone who has overhead and does this for a living. In this ecosystem, the auction houses and eBay are the real winners.
If you are trying to make money, it is imperative to carefully choose where to sell. Some things are best sold on eBay, others on consignment. eBay and AH costs have been converging for some time, so much so that in some cases eBay is just as expensive as a consignment. As an example, here is the breakdown on a recent eBay sale of mine:

What your buyer paid
Item subtotal $99.00
Shipping $6.00
Sales tax* $10.15
Order total** $115.15

What you earned
Order total $115.15
eBay collected from buyer Sales tax -$10.15
Transaction fees -$22.57
Shipping label -$3.96

Order earnings $78.47

eBay takes a cut of the shipping and the sales tax, so my effective 'commission' was 22.57%. However, this is an item of the sort that an AH would bury in a big lot so the extra 3% cost is worth it to make the item a retail item instead. I probably netted 2x-3x what I could have gotten on consignment.
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Old 06-09-2024, 04:57 PM
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In the last bunch of years ebay:
  • Removed the wildcard (*) search option making many searches more frustrating and difficult
  • Tried to make sure you don't miss anything and so made it far more difficult to just search for what you want by expanding the results in many ways
  • Made it that sellers can send offers to people who viewed they listings, even if they did not choose to watch them
  • Made it easy to list someone and leave it on eBay for ever for no cost

All told, eBay has created a huge percentage of items priced at a price that they will never sell, at no cost to the sellers. Then made it harder for buyers to sort through the listings to focus on the ones they want. And even if you do that work, you can get a slew of offers on items that you had no interest in (hence not watching it).

It's becoming harder and harder to just find what you are looking for. I know for me, as someone who is an avid collector and spends quite a bit of time on the hobby, I am spending less and less time with eBay. It's simply too unpleasant to want to deal with all the time.
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Old 06-09-2024, 05:33 PM
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In the last bunch of years ebay:
  • Removed the wildcard (*) search option making many searches more frustrating and difficult
  • Tried to make sure you don't miss anything and so made it far more difficult to just search for what you want by expanding the results in many ways
  • Made it that sellers can send offers to people who viewed they listings, even if they did not choose to watch them
  • Made it easy to list someone and leave it on eBay for ever for no cost

All told, eBay has created a huge percentage of items priced at a price that they will never sell, at no cost to the sellers. Then made it harder for buyers to sort through the listings to focus on the ones they want. And even if you do that work, you can get a slew of offers on items that you had no interest in (hence not watching it).

It's becoming harder and harder to just find what you are looking for. I know for me, as someone who is an avid collector and spends quite a bit of time on the hobby, I am spending less and less time with eBay. It's simply too unpleasant to want to deal with all the time.
This describes my experience to a tee. The amount of time I spend searching eBay is probably one fifth of what it was 5+ years ago.

And even more so, with regard to selling. I have completely abandoned selling on eBay, and now only consign to auctions or sell outright to collector friends.
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Old 06-09-2024, 05:53 PM
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This describes my experience to a tee. The amount of time I spend searching eBay is probably one fifth of what it was 5+ years ago.

And even more so, with regard to selling. I have completely abandoned selling on eBay, and now only consign to auctions or sell outright to collector friends.
It feels like they are making decisions with zero understanding of the experience of their user base and have gone backwards by prioritizing pushing as much as they can to people rather than prioritizing helping people get as close to the desired results as possible.

Additionally, their fees for ordinary sellers (not powersellers) are very close to what an auction house changes. (A 20% Buyer's Premium is 16.66% of the total paid ($100 + $20 = $120. $20/$120 = 16.66%) so they are really within range of each other.
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The eBay motto:

"If it ain't broke, frickin' break it NOW and keep breaking it further!!!!"
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The eBay motto:

"If it ain't broke, frickin' break it NOW and keep breaking it further!!!!"
I agree, as I have long assumed that eBay's motto is:

"Never leave well enough alone."
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Old 06-11-2024, 08:33 AM
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I agree, as I have long assumed that eBay's motto is:

"Never leave well enough alone."
I generally don't fix what isn't broken. Many companies do the opposite, including Ebay..


As for the question about offers, I still make them sometimes. I also hit BIN's when it make cents to me.

I BIN'd on this for 495 plus tax, about 2 mos. ago...I thought it was a pretty good deal.
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Old 06-11-2024, 09:20 AM
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Reminder to sellers:

Don't forget to set your minimum dollar thresholds for offers so you don't have to deal with annoying lowballers.

I refuse to use the OBO option. Buyers can either pay my price or pass my listings by. Even with verbiage in the description that specifically asks people not to send lower offers via messages, I still get them. It's a combination of people not reading the descriptions, eBay blocking most of the descriptions on the mobile version (unless the viewer goes out of their way to click on it), and customers who just don't care and still try to get something for less. That's understandable, but not what I'm looking to deal with. I try to provide very personable customer service, but have tired of replying to "Will you take less?" queries when I've sepcifically said I won't in each listing. So, unfortunately, I have stopped even answering such messages, as I already answered before they even asked.

Also, many years ago, I tried that experiment that the one poster wanted to utilize. I set everything to auction with opening bids close to my BIN price. It was a complete waste of time, and really, rightly so. Auctions are a game. To succeed, you have to play by auction rules: ridiculously low opening bids are key. From there, you have two choices: stay honest and let the cards fall where they may, or shill away. I don't like either option, so auctions aren't for me. The bigger the seller, the better odds of success with the first option (and second option, lol). You may as well consign your material to one of the big guys if you want the best results via auction-style listings.
I did this recently. Ridiculously low openers (99 cents). Ended up giving the cards away. Granted, these were non sports cards, but still.....
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Just checking in since testing the auction theory, have actually made two ebay item sales. One to a forum member and one on ebay. So I'm not sure if that was a coincidence, luck or it actually worked. I'll check in again next week.
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Just checking in since testing the auction theory, have actually made two ebay item sales. One to a forum member and one on ebay. So I'm not sure if that was a coincidence, luck or it actually worked. I'll check in again next week.
Im guessing your sense of decorum might prevent you from providing a link here to your eBay items but I wouldnt mind seeing what you have ,
If not maybe somebody else will post it
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Im guessing your sense of decorum might prevent you from providing a link here to your eBay items but I wouldnt mind seeing what you have ,
If not maybe somebody else will post it
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It is on my n54 profile (for some reason the two hyphens turn into 1 long one on here so it's hard to search). I admittedly don't want to post a link and get a bunch of inorganic exposure because I'm testing it but I have no problem in sharing it. Most of what I have for sale is also on the site, but there's some that's not.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/lucas--d

If anybody sees something they like I'd obviously rather sell here and skip ebay altogether 😂.
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Culture in the US doesn't put much emphasis on bargaining. Not like in Europe or Middle East. Many people I know are just totally incapable (or disinterested) in bargaining/negotiating. Many other cultures you walk into a shopping mall and a TV is marked at 699 something, you offer 200. And threaten to walk away at 300. Not how we typically operate in the US. Walmart and Target don't really care how much you think something is actually worth.

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For all of the slamming of ebay, I remember several years ago, when people were complaining about them collecting sales tax. In my home state, I have to send in sales tax collected, in late January, for the previous year. I am SO THANKFUL I don't have to deal with collecting and sending sales tax revenue to dozens of other states, to comply with the law. All I have to do is remit to my state the sales tax collected for my non-ebay transactions. The rest is taken care of.

I'm happy to pay a little marginal fee on that collected sales tax, considering the headache it saves me.
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Advantage to the seller that doesn't need to worry about inventory turnover. At least that's how it works for me.

I haven't had anything for sale on EBay for a while, but I had some BIN stuff with relatively high (not crazy) prices that I did not care at all whether it sold quickly.

I put the stuff up and priced it above the current market, waiting around for any potential surge in hobby or item interest to claim it.

It is absolutely 0 issue for me to have these cards in a few large cardboard boxes waiting for a purchase and package. The slow pace of sales actually makes things less annoying.
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A lot of sellers do the same thing you do. It's America...
People can still make offers if they want to, whether an OBO option is listed or not. I have done it and succeeded many times.

There are tons of neat things in the museum called Ebay....

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Advantage to the seller that doesn't need to worry about inventory turnover. At least that's how it works for me.

I haven't had anything for sale on EBay for a while, but I had some BIN stuff with relatively high (not crazy) prices that I did not care at all whether it sold quickly.

I put the stuff up and priced it above the current market, waiting around for any potential surge in hobby or item interest to claim it.

It is absolutely 0 issue for me to have these cards in a few large cardboard boxes waiting for a purchase and package. The slow pace of sales actually makes things less annoying.
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