Hey, pennant guys

[sayhey24]

Love all those Giants pennants -- had no idea there were so many variations.

I just bought a couple of antique frames at an estate sale -- they were covered in dirt. I cleaned them off and the wood was beautiful. I used them to frame the two pennants you see here.

Greg

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Did anybody here win this one...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1900-19...vip=true&rt=nc

Mark - Do you think it's legit? the buyer obviously did. It looks awfully nice for being 100+ years old. Plus, the "moth hole" doesn't really look like a moth hole to me...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Footballdude

This Dodgers pennant I can't see to find any information on, such as date. I've been told it dates to the 1950's. But they had just arrived in Los Angeles in 1958, so that is just a 2 year window. Not sure. I just loved the graphic of the sliding player, who actually looks quite a bit older than 1950's.

Hey Richard-

Your D**gers (sorry, can't type that word ) pennant reminds me a lot of a few Giants pennants I have; two of which are dated "1958." I've always been a tad suspicious of these pennants. They haven't been on ebay in awhile, but when they first popped up they all seemed to be pristine. Yours looks pristine, as well. The word at the time was "warehouse find." Possible, I guess, but also possible that they are re-pops...

[perezfan]

Agree... It must have been a warehouse find...

Ebay sellers like to call it "New Old Stock". They always go for decent money, so the collecting consensus seems to be that they're legit. But to Rob's point... they're almost always NRMT or better.

For the record, there is a Cardinals Pennant from the same maker... same diagonal lines and all... I just can't seem to locate an image (and am short on time). It's definitely out there, though...

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Mark - Do you think it's legit? they buyer obviously did. It looks awfully nice for being 100+ years old. Plus, the "moth hole" doesn't really look like a moth hole to me...

YES... no doubt... the oversized Cubs is legit. I previously owned a virtually identical White Sox example. Same structure, size, material, and even had the same leather Batter applique. Both are unquestionably authentic...

The White Sox came from a well-respected Board Member here, who had bought it contained within a patchwork quilt. The Quilt had been stitched together with this, and many other Pennants from the teens. The White Sox was the only Baseball example included within the Quilt, with the other Pennants being College or non-sports.

Below is an image of the matching White Sox. I assume the tassels were cut off, to enable the pennants to fit better within the framework of the Quilt....

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

YES... no doubt... the oversized Cubs is legit. I previously owned a virtually identical White Sox example. Same structure, size, material, and even had the same leather Batter applique. Both are unquestionably authentic...

The White Sox came from a well-respected Board Member here, who had bought it contained within a patchwork quilt. The Quilt had been stitched together with this, and many other Pennants from the teens. The White Sox was the only Baseball example included within the Quilt, with the other Pennants being College or non-sports.

Below is an image of the matching White Sox. I assume the tassels were cut off, to enable the pennants to fit better within the framework of the Quilt....

Maybe the buyer of the Cubs pennant is making a quilt!

[perezfan]

Haha.... That's one you wouldn't want to drool on

[Bumpus Jones]

Here's a similar Reds pennant...

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Mark - Do you think it's legit? the buyer obviously did. It looks awfully nice for being 100+ years old. Plus, the "moth hole" doesn't really look like a moth hole to me...

I was the under bidder and was buying it for resale. I think the buyer get a hell of a deal. That pennant was beautiful. I was surprised it didn't go for more. I love that sewn player on there.

There have been some great pennants on eBay over the last couple months. It's funny how I just mentioned that we were going through a "dry" stretch and then "Bam" out of the dry stretch. I will not highlight some of the other pennants I am speaking of, but I think some of the collectors know what I am referring to. Jason

[Footballdude]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Hey Richard-

Your D**gers (sorry, can't type that word ) pennant reminds me a lot of a few Giants pennants I have; two of which are dated "1958." I've always been a tad suspicious of these pennants. They haven't been on ebay in awhile, but when they first popped up they all seemed to be pristine. Yours looks pristine, as well. The word at the time was "warehouse find." Possible, I guess, but also possible that they are re-pops...

Thanks for the info. I didn't even think of a warehouse find. My first thought when I got it was the "Los Angeles" looked more modern than what the player graphic looked. So I kind of figured it might be from the 70's, from one of the "old timers" games they use to have. It looks pristine, but in actuality it looks to me like someone had it rolled up at one time.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I was the under bidder and was buying it for resale. I think the buyer get a hell of a deal. That pennant was beautiful. I was surprised it didn't go for more. I love that sewn player on there.

There have been some great pennants on eBay over the last couple months. It's funny how I just mentioned that we were going through a "dry" stretch and then "Bam" out of the dry stretch. I will not highlight some of the other pennants I am speaking of, but I think some of the collectors know what I am referring to. Jason

Hey Jason-

I am a TEAM collector, whereas other guys (you, I think) concentrate of specific THINGS (pennants, pinbacks, figurals, etc). I won't ask for your trade secrets but it leads blows my mind that the THING guys can track down the "good stuff" on eBay. For example, I search Giants pin, Giants button, Giants pinback, etc. and get thousands of results. I can't even imagine how many results "baseball pin (or pennant)," etc. would get without the TEAM qualifier......

[perezfan]

Below is an interesting image for Richard and Rob (and anyone else who might care...)

It's the same exact design Dodgers Pennant... However this one is dated "1958", has significant wear, and appears to be on softer/earlier vintage felt. So this might actually raise more questions than it answers about the newer looking/more plentiful NRMT examples out there... Warehouse "finds", or newer reproductions?

I think I'm leaning towards the latter

[sflayank]

looking for american nut and chocolate full size pennants 17x7
please post photos
thanks

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Below is an interesting image for Richard and Rob (and anyone else who might care...)

It's the same exact design Dodgers Pennant... However this one is dated "1958", has significant wear, and appears to be on softer/earlier vintage felt. So this might actually raise more questions than it answers about the newer looking/more plentiful NRMT examples out there... Warehouse "finds", or newer reproductions?

I think I'm leaning towards the latter

Always keeping me busy, Mark.....and you may be on to something.

I checked the three I posted on the previous page....the middle one, blue and white, is by far the softest felt. The other blue one is kinda soft. The black one is that stiff, crappy "felt." Blue and white I think is definitely vintage; black undated is not; the other, I'm not sure.

[Duluth Eskimo]

The two dated Giants pennants (1958) were part of a larger warehouse find in the Los Angeles area. It comes from the same find of the Rose Bowl pennants that you see from the 50's and 60's that are seen in quantity. I had the fortune to be one of the first to speak with the "finder" and bought all that if could of the tougher / rarer items. Both versions were in this group and both dated 1958. I probably had at least 20 at one time. Kind of like the 1963 Dodgers / Yankees World Series that I remember picking some out of a group of about 100 or more.

I do not believe there were any of the dated Dodgers version in that find and the Dodgers have always been a much tougher to find pennant both with and without the color. I believe that colorful Dodgers pennant is from that late 50 to early 60's era like the Giants. It is a great pennant. By the end of the 60's they started using brighter colors.

I am pretty sure Mark and some others see most of the same stuff I see on eBay, it just depends on who's interested an that item. I do collect Yankees items, but it is tough to compete with the big spenders unless I REALLY want an item. Pennants have always been a passion for me and I think they are very under appreciated in most collections.

[perezfan]

Great info Jason, and very interesting about the Warehouse find. That clears up a lot of the questions. Thanks for the informative post

[Sportsguy20]

Any idea what year this is? I think it is late 1940's

[Duluth Eskimo]

That is a nice pennant and a tougher style. Generally you would think that a simple style like this would be 1940's, but I would lean late 50's to early 1960's because of the style and some similar I have seen in the past. I think they were a premium of some kind, although I can't recall. Just my opinion though and maybe others can provide more detail. Jason

[Sportsguy20]

Thanks Jason for your input.

[perezfan]

It's a surprisingly rare one, and I agree with mid to late '50s.

It is not common, so there is some mystery around it. There is a 3/4 size (typically burgundy felt) and this full size version (I've only seen the blue).

Both are equally tough, but not impossible. I remember it taking me about 2 years to track down one of these, but a few have surfaced since then.

That doesn't add much insight here, but hope this helps a bit!

[toyman55]

Anyone able to tell me when this one was made. Considering the poor condition what would you value it at.
thanks

[nhsportsguy]

Hey guys,

I'm not very knowledgable with vintage pennants, and I'd love some help with this one. The letters are stitched, and the condition, aside from 2 pinholes, is great with great color.

Any help I could get with not only value, but ballpark year(s) it was made would be greatly appreciated!

[perezfan]

Late 1950s on the Dodgers. A great Dodgers Variation, but in that condition, it's worth very little. I would say $10 - $15 at best... it's just too faded and rough to be worth much more

In NRMT Condition, that one would be $125 - $150. I have also seen that same pennant with a "1959 NL Champs" overlay.

On Notre Dame, it's a tougher call. That embroidered, generic style spanned a few decades. Based on style and that type of thin cloth tassels, I would estimate 1940s, but there's a big potential variance on this one.

It could actually range from the 1920s - 50s. Sorry I cannot be of more help on that one. Neat pennant!

[nhsportsguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Late 1950s on the Dodgers. A great Dodgers Variation, but in that condition, it's worth very little. I would say $10 - $15 at best... it's just too faded and rough to be worth much more

In NRMT Condition, that one would be $125 - $150. I have also seen that same pennant with a "1959 NL Champs" overlay.

On Notre Dame, it's a tougher call. That embroidered, generic style spanned a few decades. Based on style and that type of thin cloth tassels, I would estimate 1940s, but there's a big potential variance on this one.

It could actually range from the 1920s - 50s. Sorry cannot be of more help on that one. Neat pennant!

Thank you for your help; my best guess was the 40's, as well.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I see you have it in a top loader which tells me it's in the range of about 30 inches. I agree that it could be anywhere from the 1910's to the 50's, but based on the size it is most likely 1930-40's and if I had to be exact I would say 40's. Earlier versions would more likely be made longer and by the 40's most schools had gone to screened graphics. Nice pennant in great shape. As for price, I would say $75-100 would be fair given it is Notre Dame. Jason

[nhsportsguy]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I see you have it in a top loader which tells me it's in the range of about 30 inches. I agree that it could be anywhere from the 1910's to the 50's, but based on the size it is most likely 1930-40's and if I had to be exact I would say 40's. Earlier versions would more likely be made longer and by the 40's most schools had gone to screened graphics. Nice pennant in great shape. As for price, I would say $75-100 would be fair given it is Notre Dame. Jason

Absolutely great information! Thank you, Jason!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Late 1950s on the Dodgers. A great Dodgers Variation, but in that condition, it's worth very little. I would say $10 - $15 at best... it's just too faded and rough to be worth much more

In NRMT Condition, that one would be $125 - $150. I have also seen that same pennant with a "1959 NL Champs" overlay.

NY Giants used the same "star" motif in 1954.

[Nashvol]

I'm not sure if this is a New Orleans pennant or not. If it is it could be from the 1950s, but most likely from 1977 when the team was resurrected for one season. Any ideas? Skip

[perezfan]

1977 is much more likely on the Pelicans Pennant, given the graphics and design.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

1977 is much more likely on the Pelicans Pennant, given the graphics and design.

For sure....plus, it looks like that modern "felt."

[Nashvol]

Yes, the pennant I have is not the same type felt as for vintage ones. I'm agreeing that it's from the 70s. Thanks guys! Skip

[ooo-ribay]

WOW!!! Glad I didn't have my heart set on this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-NY-SF-G...vip=true&rt=nc

[thetahat]

Rob, I have always been fascinated by these 3-D pennants. I thought it was strange how, a couple months ago, after not seeing any for years there were two NYY 3-Ds up at the same time on eBay, then one got pulled.

The coolest thing about them IMO is that the printing on these pennants have a felt surface, but it cracks like the screenprint.

Has anyone ever seen a 3-D pennant outside of the NY teams???

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

WOW!!! Glad I didn't have my heart set on this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-NY-SF-G...vip=true&rt=nc

Yeah Rob, I bowed out at around $1500, but thought it was cool nonetheless.

[lefty147]

I have seen Stanford and Illinois 3-D pennants but that is it. Not sure if Ames made them or not.

[perezfan]

Same here... and perhaps a few more colleges, but as for the major leagues, it's only the 3 NY teams.

Would love to know where these were sold originally. Something has to explain the combination of high quality and scarcity. Maybe Macy's or FAO Schwarz (higher-end NYC Dept/Toy Stores?)

[mrkrab]

There were made by collegiate of ames. They made several 3D pennants for universities. In fact these are the only professional sports pennant I have ever seen made by collegiate of ames.

[dwr11]

Here is a tougher pennant.

[dwr11]

Here is one more that is not real common.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Nice pennants Dan

[mrmantlecollector]

[vintagesportscollector]

Mrmantle - I live in NJ now, but growing up in Columbus I became a big Bucks fan. Love the pennants. If you wish to part with any, PM me. I recall standing with Art Schlichter at the betting windows at Scioto Downs - when he was still QB

[ooo-ribay]

Huggins and Scott has a previously unseen 3D pennant to go with the NY teams....

[mrkrab]

mr. mantle

Do you have any OSU pennants with a mascot that look like these? I been looking for a one for years. The one I have now is a little newer than the others..

Please delete that boston pennant! I was hoping nobody would see that

[Teamgluck]

They also have a nice 3D Yankees one up for auction

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by mrkrab

mr. mantle

Do you have any OSU pennants with a mascot that look like these? I been looking for a one for years. The one I have now is a little newer than the others..

Please delete that boston pennant! I was hoping nobody would see that

You know that never happens! Even on ebay, something good with terrible pictures and description still attracts attention.

You have a great group of pennants there!

[mrmantlecollector]

Originally Posted by mrkrab

mr. mantle

Do you have any OSU pennants with a mascot that look like these? I been looking for a one for years. The one I have now is a little newer than the others..

Please delete that boston pennant! I was hoping nobody would see that

No all mine are bowl game pennants.

[71buc]

I had to post this pennant that arrived today. This has to be the worst packing job I have ever seen. I knew the pennant was in rough condition and I wanted it as a filler so I am more amused than dismayed. However, since the seller mangled it further by packing it this way I am tempted to clean it and try to remove the ink notation and multiple stains. Has anyone ever had any success pressing, soaking or cleaning a 1970’s era pennant like this one? If so what worked and didn't work? Thanks!

[vintagesportflips]

I have had more than 1 pennant arrive that way too. Very frustrating. I can't believe how some ebay shippers put zero effort into their packaging. The other thing that sellers notoriously pack very poorly are early cabinet photos. Despite my message to the sellers about packing them with rigid support, I have received a handful just thrown into a bubble envelope or priority mail envelope, only to have them arrive in pieces.

[thetahat]

Mike, what a cool pennant! I absolutely love the cloth pennants from the late 60s-early 70s era, they have such a nice texture and feel to them. I've never seen that Pirates pennant before. Unfortunately, on the cloth I can't imagine that the writing can come off without serious damage.