Speaking about the T206 Plank.....

[tedzan]

All this conversation recently regarding the T206 Plank card makes me wonder if it is time to sell mine

It definitely is a nicer looking image than many of them out there. It is graded an "A", because all four corners were restored.
That's no problem for me. What really matters is this Plank completes my all SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set (468 cards).






Using a magnifier on this Plank card, I noticed an interesting pattern in it's blue ink background. The entire background
consists of a very fine diagonal grid formation. Due to the plastic, my scanner doesn't clearly reveal this pattern on the
Plank card.
So, for an example of this pattern, I scanned an ungraded Jordan card having this identical pattern. Look closely, you'll
see what I'm describing. In my PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN, and SWEET CAP sets, this pattern on blue background cards in
the 150/350 Series is not consistent. Some have it, and others do not.

I hope our resident printing expert chimes in here and explains to us why there is such a difference in these "blue back-
ground cards".







TED Z

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[atx840]

Here you go Ted.

[ullmandds]

Ted your plank is beautiful and i believe would sell for beaucoup bucks.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

All this conversation recently regarding the T206 Plank card makes me wonder if it is time to sell mine

It definitely is a nicer looking image than many of them out there. It is graded an "A", because all four corners were restored.
That's no problem for me. What really matters is this Plank completes my all SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set (468 cards).






Using a magnifier on this Plank card, I noticed an interesting pattern in it's blue ink background. The entire background
consists of a very fine diagonal grid formation. Due to the plastic, my scanner doesn't clearly reveal this pattern on the
Plank card.
So, for an example of this pattern, I scanned an ungraded Jordan card having this identical pattern. Look closely, you'll
see what I'm describing. In my PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN, and SWEET CAP sets, this pattern on blue background cards in
the 150/350 Series is not consistent. Some have it, and others do not.

I hope our resident printing expert chimes in here and explains to us why there is such a difference in these "blue back-
ground cards".







TED Z

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They're halftones Ted, you can see them above the border on this one where the registration is off.

Jordan [1a].jpg

[chriskim]

That's a quarter million $ card

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Ted your plank is beautiful and i believe would sell for beaucoup bucks.

+1 agree amazing eye appeal

[mrvster]

ABSOLUTE BEAUTY!

yes....I agree with Chris

[tedzan]

Thanks guys,

I really appreciate all your comments.


TED Z

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[Seven]

Beautiful card, Ted. Don't suppose you would take a Kidney as payment for the Plank

I can't recall, if you posted about it before, was the Sweet Caporal Back the first tobacco card set you worked on? How'd you choose that one to start? Would love to hear the story.

- James

[parkerj33]

Beauty Teddy. Your heirs will be thankful!

[tedzan]

Hi James

Since you asked....stay tuned for a lengthy dissertation:

My T206 fascination started with my 1st T206......Hal Chase (blue portrait).......which I acquired at the famous Willow Grove Show in 1981.

I put together a 521 card set (including MAGIE) by the mid 1990's. After which, I sold this set to a friend of mine, circa 1997.

In 2005, I acquired a large collection of T206's (including most of the rare backs). I completed this 2nd set (520 cards) by Jan 2006.

Then, I decided to get adventurous....45% of this set was composed of PIEDMONT cards. So, I sold (or traded) the Non-PIEDMONT cards,
and set off to achieve an ALL - PIEDMONT set. Circa November 2006, this all-PIEDMONT set was complete consisting of 519-cards [MINUS
Wagner, Plank, Joe Doyle, and the Demmitt & O'Hara St. Lo. variations (Polar Bear cards)].

The 4th set...regardless of the fact that there are only 408 cards...was quite a challenge. I had to figure out the numerous NO-PRINTS while
putting together a complete ALL - SOVEREIGN set. I achieved this mission by November 2007.

And the 5th set. While the SOVEREIGN set has 122 No-Prints, a SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set has just 55 No-Prints. A near-complete
SWEET CAP set (467 cards) was achieved by circa 2009. It took me approx. 6 years to acquire this Plank card. I consider my SWEET CAP set
complete without the Wagner.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi James

Since you asked....stay tuned for a lengthy dissertation:

My T206 fascination started with my 1st T206......Hal Chase (blue portrait).......which I acquired at the famous Willow Grove Show in 1981.

I put together a 521 card set (including MAGIE) by the mid 1990's. After which, I sold this set to a friend of mine, circa 1997.

In 2005, I acquired a large collection of T206's (including most of the rare backs). I completed this 2nd set (520 cards) by Jan 2006.

Then, I decided to get adventurous....45% of this set was composed of PIEDMONT cards. So, I sold (or traded) the Non-PIEDMONT cards,
and set off to achieve an ALL - PIEDMONT set. Circa November 2006, this all-PIEDMONT set was complete consisting of 519-cards [MINUS
Wagner, Plank, Joe Doyle, and the Demmitt & O'Hara St. Lo. variations (Polar Bear cards)].

The 4th set...regardless of the fact that there are only 408 cards...was quite a challenge. I had to figure out the numerous NO-PRINTS while
putting together a complete ALL - SOVEREIGN set. I achieved this mission by November 2007.

And the 5th set. While the SOVEREIGN set has 122 No-Prints, a SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set has just 55 No-Prints. A near-complete
SWEET CAP set (467 cards) was achieved by circa 2009. It took me approx. 6 years to acquire this Plank card. I consider my SWEET CAP set
complete without the Wagner.


TED Z

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Ted I might be wrong but wouldn't an all Sovereign set be 406 cards?

[Jobu]

Nice Ted! Out of curiosity, any chance you have a scan from before the restoration?

[tedzan]

Pat

Basically, a complete SOVEREIGN set consists of 402 subjects. My set has 408 cards.
Since it includes the SIX SUPER PRINTS with both the SOVEREIGN 350, and 460 backs.
A SOVEREIGN master set consists of 476 cards.


Here is the breakdown of the 402 subjects with respect to their Series......

SERIES

150-only......12

150/350.....140

350-only.....138

"350/460".....66 (apple-green backs)

460-only...... 46
______________
..................402



TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

Basically, a complete SOVEREIGN set consists of 402 subjects. My set has 408 cards.
Since it includes the SIX SUPER PRINTS with both the SOVEREIGN 350, and 460 backs.
A SOVEREIGN master set consists of 476 cards.


Here is the breakdown of the 402 subjects with respect to their Series......

SERIES

150-only......12

150/350.....140

350-only.....138

"350/460".....66 (apple-green backs)

460-only...... 46
______________
..................402



TED Z

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Ok I get it now Ted I didn't realize you were counting the super prints twice.
I still have an all Sovereign (vs a master) set a little different.


The way I see it is of the 524 subjects I have 70 subjects that weren't printed with any of the Sovereign backs plus the 48 Southern Leaguers so 524-118 = 406 different
subjects printed with a Sovereign back.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ok I get it now Ted I didn't realize you were counting the super prints twice.
I still have an all Sovereign (vs a master) set a little different.


The way I see it is of the 524 subjects I have 70 subjects that weren't printed with any of the Sovereign backs plus the 48 Southern Leaguers so 524-118 = 406 different
subjects printed with a Sovereign back.

Sorry Pat for the delay, as I was away.

OK, here is how it plays out. There are 122 no-prints in the SOVEREIGN set. Starting with Wagner, Plank, Magie, Joe Doyle Nat'L, Lundgren, Demmitt, O'Hara,
Kleinow (Boston), F. Smith (Chi & Bos) and the 48 So. Lgrs. which total 57 subjects. Plus.....a total of 65 subjects in the 350-only Series that were not printed.
38 - Major Lge. guys and 27 - Minor Lge. guys. So, 9 + 48 + 65 = 122.

Therefore....524 - 122 = 402.


TED Z

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[Rhotchkiss]

Hi Ted.

In my opinion, which ain’t worth much, unless you need or really could use the money, do not sell.

First, I think this card only goes up, and you likely have few better options for profit at the moment. Second, you might as well sell your entire subset, because it’s now incomplete and will never again be complete. So it’s more than just selling a plank, it’s abandoning that subset, which I would not do unless/until you needed it could really use the money. A Plank for a beach house….. good trade off!

[tedzan]

Hi Ryan

I really appreciate your advice.

I've started transferring some of my Sports cards collection to my Grandson, Ron. Gee, was he excited when I gave him my near-complete 1952 TOPPS master set
which is only missing approx. 30 of those silly Gray-backs in the #131 - 190 series.
Eventually, Ron will have it all (from the 1888 N162 set to all 3 of my T206 sets, to GOUDEY's, PLAY BALL's, LEAF's, BOWMAN's and TOPPS sets from 1952 - 1977).
Ron has become very knowledgeable regarding the T206 set. I would need Ron's approval before I sold this Eddie Plank card.



Grandson Ron...my Daughter Zoe...and me...Ron's Graduation from Univ. of So. Maine


TED Z

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[chriskim]

Ted,

Don't forget Grandson Chris! Thank you Grandpa!

Your grandson....

Chris

[mrvster]

Ryan!

absolutely agree!

Ted....AWESOME PIC!

Plank- do not sell! only going up......will be a million dollar card one day

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Ryan!

absolutely agree!

Ted....AWESOME PIC!

Plank- do not sell! only going up......will be a million dollar card one day

Johnny V

Great to hear from you. It's been quite a while since we got together at the Jersey shore (Point Pleasant).

Let's try to meet up this season, at our favorite restaurant, and we could spend hours "TALKIN' T206's"


I appreciate your advice regarding my Eddie Plank card.

Take care, my good friend.


TED Z

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[GasHouseGang]

That will be quite an inheritance. He's a lucky grandson.

[tedzan]

The "broken plate" myth was the hobby's explanation for the scarcity of the T206 Plank card when I got back into the hobby in the late 1970's.
I worked part-time in a Print Shop during my High School days, and I knew the "broken plate" myth was a bunch of "BULL"....because printers
usually (or always) had multiple printing plates of every image they printed.

Incidentally, the "broken plate" myth back then was also this hobby's explanation for why the scarcity of the 1954 BOWMAN Ted Williams card.
I will relate to you of my experience which proved that this 1954 BOWMAN Ted Williams myth was NOT the reason this card was short-printed.
That is if anyone here is interested in my story.

In 2007, I posted my research regarding the Plank card on Net54. Refer to.... https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=84186
Initially, my hypothesis is somewhat convoluted in how it involves the American Lithographic Co. vs the American Caramel Co. (i.e., E90-1 set).
In 2012, I modified my theory as to why Plank's card was discontinued. It was simply due to his aversion of Tobacco in any form (see Post #70
in the above stated thread).


Eddie Plank's preferred battery-mate was Doc Powers. Stay tuned for this story.

>>


TED Z

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[Jeffrompa]

Ted ,

You should troll it on here for another year or two . Drive everyone crazy .

[tedzan]

The Philadelphia A'S new Stadium, Shibe Park, opened on April 12, 1909. Eddie Plank beat the Boston AL team. Allowing them just 6 Hits and only 1 Run.

Doc Powers was Eddie Plank's preferred battery-mate for many years.

Powers became sick during this game; however, he caught the entire game. Unfortunately, two weeks later Doc passed away due to an intestinal infection.


> > > >


TED Z

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[Pat R]

I think you mean Doc Powers Ted

[tedzan]

Thanks Pat,

Yesterday was a long day for me, and by the end of it my mind got the "Doc's" mixed up.

At least I had the presence of mind to post the card of Doc Powers


TED Z

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