The Mets - Same crap as the last crap

[tod41]

Buck shows over and over again why he wears out his welcome wherever he goes. He is not a good manager at all.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by tod41

Buck shows over and over again why he wears out his welcome wherever he goes. He is not a good manager at all.

+1 agree

And he is “known” for having his team prepared, fundamentals, and hustle.

And last year most of the year it looked it

This year it looks like he and the team forgot

[Jim65]

So a 4 time Manager of the Year isn't a good manager? They won 101 games last year and all of a sudden Buck is bad? I guess its Bucks fault that Diaz was hurt or that their $341 Million player is hitting.220 or that Verlander and Scherzer have been bad or that Marte got off to a terrible start or McNeil's average dropped 50 points or that Ottavino has been inconsistent or that they cannot hit in the clutch, etc. Buck has his faults, he is too loyal to veteran players, like Vogelbach, but what old school manager wasn't?

Its amazing how fast fans turn on managers. It was Callaway's fault, then it was Rojas fault, now its Bucks fault. Then it will be the next manager's fault?

This team is poorly constructed, I blame Alderson and Eppler for that.

[Snapolit1]

It is comical how much fans rage at managers and not the folks who actually constructed the team. Yeah I'm sure Buck's two judgment calls a game about selecting pinch hitters and calling for the old hit and run that are what's really the issue here.

Do people still think the manager creates the lineup or decides what relief pitcher is coming in? Analytics baby.

Baseball managers are a lot like airline pilots these days. Computers tell them what do do, and they spend long periods of time basically just watching what's happening like you and me.

Originally Posted by Jim65

So a 4 time Manager of the Year isn't a good manager? They won 101 games last year and all of a sudden Buck is bad? I guess its Bucks fault that Diaz was hurt or that their $341 Million player is hitting.220 or that Verlander and Scherzer have been bad or that Marte got off to a terrible start or McNeil's average dropped 50 points or that Ottavino has been inconsistent or that they cannot hit in the clutch, etc. Buck has his faults, he is too loyal to veteran players, like Vogelbach, but what old school manager wasn't?

Its amazing how fast fans turn on managers. It was Callaway's fault, then it was Rojas fault, now its Bucks fault. Then it will be the next manager's fault?

This team is poorly constructed, I blame Alderson and Eppler for that.

[tod41]

Originally Posted by Jim65

So a 4 time Manager of the Year isn't a good manager? They won 101 games last year and all of a sudden Buck is bad? I guess its Bucks fault that Diaz was hurt or that their $341 Million player is hitting.220 or that Verlander and Scherzer have been bad or that Marte got off to a terrible start or McNeil's average dropped 50 points or that Ottavino has been inconsistent or that they cannot hit in the clutch, etc. Buck has his faults, he is too loyal to veteran players, like Vogelbach, but what old school manager wasn't?

Its amazing how fast fans turn on managers. It was Callaway's fault, then it was Rojas fault, now its Bucks fault. Then it will be the next manager's fault?

This team is poorly constructed, I blame Alderson and Eppler for that.

Yes the 4 time manager of the year is not a good manager. He should not have won it last year anyway. The team collapsed when it counted. Buck has no creativity and no fire as a manager. He is a media darling and therefore, highly overrated. It's no coincidence that the Yankees, Diamondbacks and Rangers were better off when he was fired. Having said that, Alderson and Eppler deserve the lion share of the blame for this mess. The Lindor deal and the aftermath of it will continue to haunt this team.

[mrreality68]

My gripe with Buck is his effectiveness.
You are right he does not pick players and cannot control injuries but he can control how his team prepares, executes, fundamentals.

Many teams go thru adversity and it is the manager to manage and just this year I do not think he is getting thru to his team to at least hustle, play disciplined baseball, more effort and better defense

And the reality baseball is a what have you done for me lately. And sadly lately his team does not look as effective as it could be.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Buck is awful. I don't know how any Met fan can convince themself otherwise at this point.

I'm tired of seeing:

-Ottavino serve up HRs in the 9th (bullpen mismanagement is Buck's specialty, as we all know)
-the corpse of Vogelbach taking DH ABs away from young hitters
-Alvarez batting in the lower part of the order

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Buck is awful. I don't know how any Met fan can convince themself otherwise at this point.

I'm tired of seeing:

-Ottavino serve up HRs in the 9th (bullpen mismanagement is Buck's specialty, as we all know)
-the corpse of Vogelbach taking DH ABs away from young hitters
-Alvarez batting in the lower part of the order

Like I said, fans blamed Callaway, then Rojas, now Buck. At what point is it the players fault for not hitting or pitching? Or Eppler's fault for signing old pitchers and not having a real DH?