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Old 02-09-2021, 07:11 AM
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Given the meteoric rise of the '48 Leaf, I suspect this card will continue to soar:



I think the rest of the Bond Bread set has room to grow as well.

I'm surprised this card hasn't followed suit, but I suspect that is because it continues to be labeled a 1948 card despite being distributed in late 1947:



Jackie aside, I think Mays, Aaron, and Paige will continue to see strong growth. Perhaps Ted Williams as well.
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I agree on the Jackie Bond Bread Portrait. There's no reason for it not to be the most significant Robinson card. It was issued first and widely released and in today's world I find it especially significant as it was marketed to African American communities first.

Happy to add my own low-grade example to my collection. Don't think it'll be affordable much longer:


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Given the meteoric rise of the '48 Leaf, I suspect this card will continue to soar:



I think the rest of the Bond Bread set has room to grow as well.

I'm surprised this card hasn't followed suit, but I suspect that is because it continues to be labeled a 1948 card despite being distributed in late 1947:



Jackie aside, I think Mays, Aaron, and Paige will continue to see strong growth. Perhaps Ted Williams as well.
I'm a big fan of the Old Gold's. The write ups on the back are great.

"And the first time he ever picked up a golf club, he went around in 99. It should come as no surprise that as a kid, he was even a world-beater at marbles."


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I'm seeing a rise in May's Berk Ross issue, which is unfortunate because of course that's the next card I was going to target

Is what it is, unfortunately. It still boggles my mind how dirt cheap Frank Robinson Cards are.
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I'm a big fan of the Old Gold's. The write ups on the back are great.

"And the first time he ever picked up a golf club, he went around in 99. It should come as no surprise that as a kid, he was even a world-beater at marbles."
Agreed! I love the backs of these cards.
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Meh. Kim Jong Il's first round, he shot a 58 with six aces. One of which was on a par 5.

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Except the super short printed Leaf, the other two Paige cards have always seemed a relative bargain to me, as well as the Exhibit which was pretty tough to find when I was looking.

I would also consider Sadaharu Oh, there might be one of his cards out there for every 500 Mantles or maybe less.
Agree, that exhibit Satchel Paige is quite rare and I just recently got lucky finding one. Been looking for a long time.

It was printed in 1949, same year as the Bowman.

The Robinson exhibit is another insanely underrated one. Printed in 1948.

The are both beautiful cards, although larger, who cares? I love mine and no plans on selling.
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The Robinson Exhibit was printed for several years and is available. It is undervalued, but is nothing like the Exhibit Paige, which was a one-year wonder (1949) though perhaps made it into 1950. The 1962 Pittsburgh Exhibit is another absolutely brutal Paige card to find. He pitched 5 games (25 innings) in the PCL (AAA) in 1961 so I guess his inclusion in the set wasn't quite as weird as it seemed to me when I first heard of it.

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The Robinson Exhibit was printed for several years and is available. It is undervalued, but is nothing like the Exhibit Paige, which was a one-year wonder (1949) though perhaps made it into 1950. The 1962 Pittsburgh Exhibit is another absolutely brutal Paige card to find. He pitched 5 games (25 innings) in the PCL (AAA) in 1961 so I guess his inclusion in the set wasn't quite as weird as it seemed to me when I first heard of it.
You are the first I have heard mention this about the Robinson card (though I would expect to hear it from no one else haha). So even despite the all capital 5/8" "MADE IN U.S.A" print markings, the actual printing spanned several years? Hope you don't mind me picking your brain. Thanks!

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What you are referring to are print variations from year to year. However, not all years featured completely redone artwork. The company wasn't thinking of obsessive OCD whackos like us when it made its sets each year, so the attention to detail wasn't there. I mean, they got so lazy that the just crudely crossed stuff out sometimes.




The Rizzuto and Doby had "An Exhibit Card" scratched out rather than removed and redone.

The point is that micro-analyzing the made in USA/printed in USA only gets you so far, it is a rule with many exceptions. The only way to definitively determine whether a card had a multiple year run is to see uncut sheets, which is how we know for sure that the Salutations Ted Williams was issued through 1960:



Other evidence is on the machine headers. When you see different cards clustered together it is because some cards had multi-year runs. There are also checklists made as promos in 1950 and they show Jackie Robinson but not Satchel Paige.

Further proof is in the population. The Robinson card is readily found in normal times in decent numbers. The Paige has always been a 'handful available at best' kind of card. I have been watching them for years because I love the card.
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What you are referring to are print variations from year to year. However, not all years featured completely redone artwork. The company wasn't thinking of obsessive OCD whackos like us when it made its sets each year, so the attention to detail wasn't there. I mean, they got so lazy that the just crudely crossed stuff out sometimes.

The Rizzuto and Doby had "An Exhibit Card" scratched out rather than removed and redone.

The point is that micro-analyzing the made in USA/printed in USA only gets you so far, it is a rule with many exceptions. The only way to definitively determine whether a card had a multiple year run is to see uncut sheets, which is how we know for sure that the Salutations Ted Williams was issued through 1960:

Other evidence is on the machine headers. When you see different cards clustered together it is because some cards had multi-year runs. There are also checklists made as promos in 1950 and they show Jackie Robinson but not Satchel Paige.

Further proof is in the population. The Robinson card is readily found in normal times in decent numbers. The Paige has always been a 'handful available at best' kind of card. I have been watching them for years because I love the card.
This is very helpful and agreed when it comes to just finding them in general. The Satchel I recently got, dug like crazy to get and then one day just landed on my lap out of pure "luck". Robinsons, I have a couple and didn't need to sweat in order to get them.

I've seen the scratched out versions plenty of times but did not realize the extent to which the same markings were printed. I have never noticed differences in the Robinson card aside from the density of the sepia tone from images online (which could just be lighting). The ones I have held in my hands, nothing.

And you never know. Maybe they did all these things just to play a massive prank on OCD people 70 years in the future . If so, mission accomplished.


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Mantle will always be the king of the 52 set. Right behind him is Mays and Robinson (look what happened with this card this year!). With Mantle selling where he has and Robinson taking off where he has, it stands to reason that Mays has some catching up to do.
this is all I was trying to say.
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this is all I was trying to say.
While I also believe this to be true . Mantle , Mathews , Robinson are all in the 6 series . Mays is not
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While I also believe this to be true . Mantle , Mathews , Robinson are all in the 6 series . Mays is not

True however the difference in overall pops is minimal compared to the appeal and status of the mays card in the hobby. Itís been over looked for way to long especially compared to mantle. No reason at all that its not closer in value to the mantle. Mays was a top 5 player and people were sleeping on the obvious.


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I think the 52 Campy has some room to grow. Hi number, HOFer that played in the Negro Leagues, and a beloved Dodger.
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One other one I've been thinking might make some big leaps is the 54 Red Heart Mantle. Now that the 52T is out of reach for the basic collector, this card has such a similar visual appeal (mixed with the 54 Bowman) that I think it'll makes strides in months to come.
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I would agree that the set and the player are both great but the image is not for me. I think his 1951 Bowman card is probably his best looking and from a great set. Not to mention it also a year earlier.

I would say 1951 Bowman Mays , Ford , Williams still have room to grow. The 1951 Bowman has eye appeal and a bunch of big name rookies and HOFers.
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itís modern basketball but Iím shocked how the 1990 Kentucky shaq (his first card) sells so low. You can pick one up for a $100 or so. I can see that one blowing up.
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A Ď52 Topps Jackie PSA 3 just closed on eBay for $16k. That card is exploding and I donít think itís done yet.
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I bought a PSA 2 two years ago for $750. This is insanity.
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I think 51 bowman mantle, his true rookie
a 51 bowman mantle psa 7 sold for 115k
There's an 8 currently at heritage now with BP over 400k with 12 days to go. If that one sells high, it will bring the price up across the board
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a 51 bowman mantle psa 7 sold for 115k
There's an 8 currently at heritage now with BP over 400k with 12 days to go. If that one sells high, it will bring the price up across the board
I bought mine for 20% of that 2 years ago. It is like I am done collecting unless I sell something to pay for a purchase.
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I realize there has been a spike in these off brand cards, specifically the exhibits. However, I'd stick with topps, and to a lesser extent bowman for the next tidal wave. I'm bias towars signed cards and 1952 topps. I've always thought pretty much the break through year of anything would be worth something.

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2 PSA 6 sold for 100k today
And 2 PSA 8 at heritage and Goldin now bidding at around 500k with BP

Will see how high when it ends
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Unreal. I think you're right. The key postwar set, high #, great image. A PSA 1 went for $6,650. At this rate, I don't think any grossly intact card will sell for less than mid-four figures. It has surpassed the 1947 Bond Bread portrait RC. A PSA 1.5 sold for $5200 this week.
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Assuming I could even hope to predict, I wouldn't reveal it here...just sayin'.

-'69 Topps Reggie Jackson
-'77 Topps Dale Murphy
-'79 Topps Ozzie Smith

These three are wishful thinking. None of them have the sort of appeal needed, either from a player perspective or a set perspective.
A PSA 9 Ozzie just went for $7700 today (and not PWCC or Probstein!). I got mine for $2550 less than a month ago, and thought I overpaid. WOW.
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Chantilly for April?? The CSA website still says they're "monitoring the situation closely", but nothing about canceling.
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I know I wonít be one.
Why do you think this will be the case? Iím not arguing, Iím genuinely curious. I just feel like the card market lives online now, so Iím wondering how a show could influence that in todayís market. Many collectors I know (myself included) have never been, and I started collecting over 30 years ago. Thanks!
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I've been noticing Jim Brown cards are going up.
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Itís a cycle every year and pandemic wonít be around forever. 2016 was more profound and this has a lot of similarities but their will be a drop 30%+. Whether National happens or not. A ton of graded cards are entering market as well.

Things donít always go up and there are gaps to fill. But expect big losses from people who will exit hobby. There arenít always winners.

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Agree on the Jim Brown, and thinking we`ve already seen it, but the "55" Topps Koufax rookie could be one of the next "it" cards. Should have grabbed a nicely centered mid grade but once again I`m late to the party !
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I think that has already happened. I upgraded to a PSA 7 at the last national for 2200.00. A year and a half later it is selling ~ 10 k.
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I think that has already happened. I upgraded to a PSA 7 at the last national for 2200.00. A year and a half later it is selling ~ 10 k.
Nice! I just looked up the prices on the Koufax rookie. Wow. I bought a PSA 5 probably 15 years ago for $200. Looks like it's appreciated quite a lot since.
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Nice! I just looked up the prices on the Koufax rookie. Wow. I bought a PSA 5 probably 15 years ago for $200. Looks like it's appreciated quite a lot since.
It was stall for a long time before this though
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PSA 5 Brown RCs have been dancing around the $2,000 level for a few months now. i think the mid-grades have probably stalled out.
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One card I like a lot is the 1950 Bowman Jackie Robinson. I honestly think this is a nicer looking card than the Leaf or 49 Bowman, and is one of his best looking cards overall. It's been climbing steadily but still feels under-the-radar compared to the 53 Topps to me considering how aesthetically pleasing it is.

I'm also thinking that the NLB players with MLB cards are going to (continue to) be rising quickly. These are some really nice cards (like the 1950/1951 Doby or the 1952T Monte Irvin or the 1950/1951 Campanella) and I just hope to be able to scoop a bunch up before they get too far out of reach.
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I'm also thinking that the NLB players with MLB cards are going to (continue to) be rising quickly. These are some really nice cards (like the 1950/1951 Doby or the 1952T Monte Irvin or the 1950/1951 Campanella) and I just hope to be able to scoop a bunch up before they get too far out of reach.
The Robinson is a nice card. As for the NLB players with MLB cards, I hope you are right. It would be nice to see them get some attention. Hank Thompson and Don Newcombe seem to be under the radar, as well.

I've been giving this idea of next big cards a lot of thought, not because I invest but because if there is anything on my wish list that might get hot, I'd like to purchase while I can still afford it. A lot of the 50s and early 60s cards I was eying have moved quite a bit already. In terms of more recent stuff, I wouldn't be surprised to see high-grade 69T Reggie Jackson and 72T Dr J cards get out of reach in the near future.
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