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Old 02-19-2021, 03:11 PM
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Default 1968 topps series 6

In 1968, the only series that has SPs is the 6th series (458 to 533, plus checklist 6 again (454)). I know there are a plethora of these cards available, but I still plan an attempt to reconstruct the two slits so that we know what the short prints are. So, I am looking for images of either miscuts, wrong backs, or uncut material from that series.

So far, all I have are images of 485 showing edge of slit, 475, 519, & 520 showing edge of card above each, a diamond cut 480, and a miscut of 490 showing that 533 is below it. Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 02-19-2021, 05:54 PM
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Didn't know about this sp 6th series.....
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Old 02-19-2021, 06:45 PM
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The sixth series has short prints because there are 77 cards in the printing. I don't know which cards they are yet. That is why I am trying to locate miscuts, etc. So I can determine the print pattern of the two slits. The mantle combo card is an example of a miscut.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:56 PM
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Pretty sure I have a photo of one 132 card side, will find and post
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Old 02-21-2021, 09:14 AM
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As promised, one half of the 264 card uncut sheet for 1968 6th series, rows 6 and 7 appear to be SP's but really unknown till the other half sheet is found as 77 card series usually have 33 cards printed 4 times and 44 cards printed 3 times

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Old 02-21-2021, 12:38 PM
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I can confirm Lee May (heading row 6) was a tough card to find when I was putting the set together. None of the others in those rows really stand out though.
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Old 02-21-2021, 02:54 PM
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Because of that sheet configuration, it may be that the pattern was five rows 4x each, and two rows 2x ea. So short prints are probably in lee may and Bryan rows
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Old 02-21-2021, 05:14 PM
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Because of that sheet configuration, it may be that the pattern was five rows 4x each, and two rows 2x ea. So short prints are probably in lee may and Bryan rows
Not saying its impossible but I've been collecting photos of uncut topps sheets for 25 years and never have run across this pattern for a full 264 card sheet. Have multiple examples where the layout between the two 1/2 sheets for a series are very different.

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Old 02-21-2021, 06:04 PM
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I can confirm Lee May (heading row 6) was a tough card to find when I was putting the set together. None of the others in those rows really stand out though.
Lee May has been tougher for 40 years and I saw Tommie Agee in the same row. I think this will end up being similar to the 67 Final series in which the second sheet will end up creating something akin to a 5-4-3 total of the sheets.

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Old 02-22-2021, 05:05 AM
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In 65, 66, & 67 the 77 card series had one slit with a pattern of:
slit A: A,B,C, D,E,A,F,G,B, C,D,E while
slit B: two rows, then A, F, G, B, C, D, E, A, F, G. Those two rows varied in ech series. Sometimes the two rows were B, C or D, E which gave rise to the 77 card series having four rows printed 3x each (SPs) and three rows 4x each.

On at least one occasion, those two rows were A, F which produced one row 5x, one row 4x, and five rows 3x each. In 1961, a slightly different arrangement was used, which resulted in only a few SPs.

I have seen some miscuts from this series that suggests the row with Niekro, Alston, Hamilton,& Freehan is at the bottom of the 2nd slit. The ebay listing counts suggest that the Lee May row is a Sp row as counts for those cards are typically much lower than for cards in other rows.
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Old 02-22-2021, 09:53 AM
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On at least one occasion, those two rows were A, F which produced one row 5x, one row 4x, and five rows 3x each. In 1961, a slightly different arrangement was used, which resulted in only a few SPs.
Refresh my memory, is this supposedly the 1967 high numbers layout where only the top 5 rows of slit A (right half of 264 card sheet) have been found?

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Old 02-22-2021, 10:40 AM
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The complete left slit of the 67 highs is known as are the top 5 rows of the 2nd slit. Counts over time of the ebay listing also support the 1x5, 1x4, and 5x3 layout.

For the 68s, the card counts (ebay listings) of the Tracewski, Stephenson, and F Robby (500) are much higher than the counts for the May, Bryan, Von Hoff, & Robby checklist. So, it may be that a 3x4 & 4x3 arrangement was actually used, but that hasn't yet been fully established.

There are a few miscuts from the Stephenson row that suggest that row may be at the bottom of slit B.

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Old 02-22-2021, 11:23 AM
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The complete left slit of the 67 highs is known as are the top 5 rows of the 2nd slit. Counts over time of the ebay listing also support the 1x5, 1x4, and 5x3 layout.

For the 68s, the card counts (ebay listings) of the Tracewski, Stephenson, and F Robby (500) are much higher than the counts for the May, Bryan, Von Hoff, & Robby checklist. So, it may be that a 3x4 & 4x3 arrangement was actually used, but that hasn't yet been fully established.
Neither has the 1x5, 1x4, and 5x3 layout IMO
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Old 02-22-2021, 01:41 PM
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I am a believer that the 1967 Topps highs had a pattern whereby the Pinson row was printed 5x, the Rohr RC row was printed 4x, and the other five rows were printed 3x.

The 5 row sequence of slit B plus ebay counts over many months suggest that the rows headed by Ferrara, NL Rookies, Colavito, Checklist 7, and Belanger RC were all printed at the same frequency while the cards in the other two rows (Pinson, Ferrara) have higher quantities, with the Pinson row being much higher.

Obviously, without the bottom half of the 2nd slit from the 1967 highs available, the pattern can't be known unequivocally, and it is certainly possible that some other pattern may have been used, but there is circumstantial evidence to support that a 1x5, 1x4, and 5x3 print pattern was used. IMO
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Old 02-23-2021, 10:05 AM
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I am a believer that the 1967 Topps highs had a pattern whereby the Pinson row was printed 5x, the Rohr RC row was printed 4x, and the other five rows were printed 3x.

The 5 row sequence of slit B plus ebay counts over many months suggest that the rows headed by Ferrara, NL Rookies, Colavito, Checklist 7, and Belanger RC were all printed at the same frequency while the cards in the other two rows (Pinson, Ferrara) have higher quantities, with the Pinson row being much higher.

Obviously, without the bottom half of the 2nd slit from the 1967 highs available, the pattern can't be known unequivocally, and it is certainly possible that some other pattern may have been used, but there is circumstantial evidence to support that a 1x5, 1x4, and 5x3 print pattern was used. IMO
Thank you that is what I was getting at with my 5-4-3 comment. I'll wager this is somewhat similar. And, of course, the count to do verification helps as well.

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Old 02-23-2021, 11:07 AM
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Default 1968 series 6

A quick look at the 1968 series 6 counts suggest a 4x3 & 3x4 pattern. Also, these two miscuts suggest that the row with Stephenson & Niekro is at bottom of 2nd slit.

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Old 02-24-2021, 08:08 AM
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Re 1967 highs, I think a 5X row, which seems to be supported by pop counts but still unverified of course, could have been the result of an issue in the final sheet layout, printing or it could be a planned 4/3 3/4 situation where one row differed greatly in cutting but not all cards suffered the same. For whatever reason this period of wierd XP rows starts the same year of the plant move to Duryea (1966). Not sure why Topps would intentionally add a fifth row but that possibility remains as well.
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Old 02-26-2021, 09:38 AM
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Bored on a Friday morning, looking at the miscuts and doing the math same as the 132 card sheet shown above the missing 132 card sheet could be laid out as:

Rows 1 thru 5 = rows 5 (Frank R ) thru row 9 (Stephenson) on known 132 card sheet

Rows 6 thru 12 = rows 3 thru 9 on known sheet.

Rows 3 (row with player combo cards), 4 (Frank R CL) 6 (May) and 7 would be the cards printed 3 times (SP) on the 264 card sheet. Note the Frank R checklist was printed in series 5 too.

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Old 02-26-2021, 02:19 PM
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Do you have other miscuts from this series? If so, can you post?
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