Brooks Robinson and the Baltimore Orioles

[roarfrom34]

Originally Posted by BaltOrioles

Bill,

Thanks for the update. It seems we are losing former Orioles at an increasing rate. I remember Grant as mostly a relief pitcher and a pretty good one for the Orioles. I was surprised to see he was a starter a couple years with the Phillies and threw over 250 innings for them in 1969.

I guess this must be opposite day. Bill posts a team issued postcard and I'll post a game used jersey of Grant Jackson.

Alan:

That's a sweet GU top of Jackson! His 1973 season was probably his best in Baltimore with a 8-0 record, ERA under 2.00 and a WHIP under 1.00

Of course, Orioles fans remember too that Grant was the winning pitcher for the Pirates in Game 7 of the '79 WS

[mark1711]

Hi Charlie:

I am third on the PSA Registry for the Master Brooks Robinson Set. I was interested to know how items end up with the red asterisk (not needed for completion of the set). I have the 1968 Sports Illustrated Promo Card of Brooks (Card #1A1) graded as PSA 4.5. It was initially included as being needed for completion of the set and then got bounced and labeled with a red asterisk. Just curious if you know anything about how PSA makes decisions on such matters.

I am loving your set and your posts!

Many thanks,

Mark

[Chstrite]

Hi, Mark. Typically, items that are test issues or very, very rare such as your SI promo card are not required but optional if a collector adds them. I have done that with a number of cards (requested they be added but come back as optional). I have the 67 and 68 Discs, for example, and they are optional. Same with Proofs. PSA is not always consistent. The 1972 Test Disc is part of the set. I may have added it. The 3D 68 and Dice Game are optional. I often think it is very random. I have a few items that I believe are one of a kind that are part of the set, so not sure what the process truly is. I doubt I answered your question because I am not totally sure there is a clear answer.

I have a lot of cards I would be happy to trade with you that might help if interested. I am constantly looking to upgrade. I would love to see a pic of your SI Card.

My email if you want to chat more or swap cards you are missing or would like to upgrade:

Charles.strite@yahoo.com

Look forward to chatting more.

Charlie

[ripfan008]

Bill,

I was searching an old thread and saw that you had a 1992 Topps card that was double-sided. Manny Lee on a glossy front and Cal Ripken on a matte back. Did you ever find out any more information about it?

Thanks!

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by mark1711

Hi Charlie:

I am third on the PSA Registry for the Master Brooks Robinson Set. I was interested to know how items end up with the red asterisk (not needed for completion of the set). I have the 1968 Sports Illustrated Promo Card of Brooks (Card #1A1) graded as PSA 4.5. It was initially included as being needed for completion of the set and then got bounced and labeled with a red asterisk. Just curious if you know anything about how PSA makes decisions on such matters.

I am loving your set and your posts!

Many thanks,

Mark

Mark,

Would love to see the front and back of that SI card as well.

[mark1711]

I emailed the pic to Charlie as I am a still learning how to post to this site. I hope the front comes up with this post. I am not sure it is going to work as an attachment.

Mark

[mark1711]

I think Nabisco used the same pic for its card which is slightly smaller.

[mark1711]

And the back

[Chstrite]

Hi, Mark. Thanks for sharing. I was just about to post this card, per your approval. Thanks for sharing the back, too. I recall talking to some folks about this card and over the years I have seen folks try to sell the promotional poster pics (cut from the actual poster showing all of the cards) as the promotional cards. Not intentionally, but I was led to believe I found one and it was the "paper" version from the poster. This is a great card and very rare. It is on my "list."

Welcome to "posting!"

[Mark70Z]

What are the differences between the Brooks SI promotional card and the SI advertising poster that shows all the SI posters? Is there a size, font, format difference?

[roarfrom34]

Originally Posted by Mark70Z

What are the differences between the Brooks SI promotional card and the SI advertising poster that shows all the SI posters? Is there a size, font, format difference?

Biggest thing I see are the letters in "Robinson" and the back of the poster being white (typical poster stock).

[Chstrite]

Good morning. Happy Super Bowl Sunday. Should be an exciting game. Speaking of exciting, as promised, the different items and quantity of items in 1962 should not disappoint. There are technically 16 items in the 1962 slot of the PSA Master for Brooks Robinson. I will show 17 and explain later. 1962 has numerous 'different' entries. Moving top to bottom, we begin with the Topps Bucks. The one here is tied for the highest graded. You can find these out there but centering is an issue. I think I have several ungraded. This one is nice but a little expensive at this high grade. The 1962 Topps Stamps are a lot of fun. There are 4 slots for the Stamps. The four stamp with Brooks and 3 of his pals is the highest graded. This one is tough to find at this grade and can be expensive. There are 3 two player stamps of Brooks. The Duke Snider one is my favorite. There are two graded higher. The one with Baldschun is the highest graded. This was a nice find. The one with Moon is not part of the Master. Can't explain why. Tried to add but I think it has something to do with the other two player panels. The last one is the single of Brooks. This is tied as the highest graded. I was looking at the prices for these stamps and...well, email me if interested. Next, you see the two Post Cereal cards. One is the US version and the other is the Canadian version. You can see the differences between the two cards (less of a profile in the US version, hands are different, different card numbers, different colored letters, and of course the Canadian version has French wording). The grades here are not that high but surprisingly there are only 3 higher graded Canadian cards and 5 graded higher in the US version. I believe I added the Canadian card to the set. It is really hard to find nice Canadian cards; too often the border line is not cut so it is visible. I submitted a 1962 Brooks panel to PSA for grading and should have it back soon so I can add that to the master. They are affordable but hard to find. Below the Post cards, you will find the 3 Topps and one Venezulean card of Brooks. The regular 1962 Topps Brooks is graded the highest with 6 others. I won this through an auction and just last night, the auction house sent me an offer for $5,500. Of course, I declined. The All Star and Team cards are nice but nothing special in terms of grade. I looked at upgrading both but I think the price jumps considerably, if you can find them at the PSA 9. The 1962 'Vene' is tied for highest graded. These are so hard to find nice. This one is very expensive and I would never sell or trade. When folks ask me about this one, they are shocked at how nice it is. The three Jay Pubs are great pictures of Brooks. I especially like the one with the 'B' on his hat. Although only graded as 'Excellent' it is highest graded. The other two poses are plentiful and affordable. Finally, the two coins are very nice but not the highest graded despite being PSA 9 Mints. The Salada Junket Coins were offered in Tea and Pudding mix. There are 265 different coins. The Canadian coin or Sharriff Coins has fewer players and were offered in Shirriff Potato Chips. Did anyone ever pull one from from bag of chips? The Salada and Sharriff coins are similar except for the printing on the reverse of the coin and scarcities of the coins. I hope my comments do not sound like I am bragging or too focused on cost. I am trying to provide perspective on the scarcity of the item in the condition it is in. Many do not like "grading" so I get that, too. I look forward to the comments this week on other items I do not have above such as the team issued items. Hope you enjoyed this week's update. Next week is exciting as we begin to see Brooks appear on the Bazooka boxes. Have a great week!

[BaltOrioles]

Charlie,

More great Brooks Robinson items. I especially like the Venezuelan card. I don't collect graded cards, but even finding a decent looking ungraded card is near impossible.

Here's a couple additional items and information.

Jays Publishing Photos

I've done a lot of research on the Jays photo packs. The 1962-1965 sets are often lumped together because of their similar style. PSA obviously doesn't try to separate them by year. The photo of Brooks in the batting pose is 1962, the kneeling pose is 1963 and the hands on knees pose is from 1965. Here is the 1964 photo.

1964 Jays 06 - Copy.jpg


Post Cereal Cards

As I mentioned last week, most Post Cereal cards come with various cropping variations based upon the product they were on. The 1962 Brooks Robinson comes with two variations. One shows more fingers on the bat than the other.

1962 Post Cereal #1 - Copy.jpg


1962 Salada Coins

Salada did several different printings of the 1962 set. The original set consisted of 180 coins (10 coins each of the 18 teams). With the expansion of the NY Mets and Houston Colt 45's, the set was redone to include them, making the set 200 (10 coins of the 20 teams). Trades, additions & deletions of some players and printing variations ballooned the set to 265 different coins. The main point being that the coins can be found with backs that say 180 coins or 200 coins. The 200 coin backs are much more plentiful. Since Brooks was in both printings, he can be found with both backs. One problem with Salada coins is the ease in which the paper inserts can be switched. All the Orioles have orange coins. Any Orioles with a different color have been switched.

Here are a few more items from 1962 you might want to look for

1962 Team Issued Postcard & 8x10 Tadder Photo

1962 Postcards 06 - Copy.jpg Robinson, Brooks 4 - Copy.jpg


1962 Baseball Monthly Photo

Robinson, Brooks (Baseball Monthly) - Copy.jpg

[Chstrite]

Alan, thanks for adding more details on the coins and pictures. I have a couple of the pictures but some of the team issues are tough to find. Happy collecting.

[BaltOrioles]

I was thrilled today when the mailman got me one program closer to my goal of picking up programs of all the Orioles minor league affiliates.

The Stockton Ports played in the California League and were affiliated with the Orioles from 1959-1971. The Ports were also affiliated with the Vancouver Mounties, the Orioles AAA farm team, in 1956 and 1957. Due to very poor attendance, programs and just about anything from the Ports are hard to find. Luckily, there is little demand, so when items show up, they aren't too pricey.

Here's today's addition -

1964 Stockton Ports Program

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It goes nicely with the Giants & Indians 1964 spring training exhibition program played in Stockton that I already had.

1964 Stockton Ports (Exhibition) - Copy.jpg


The 1964 Stockton Ports finished 69-70. A few notable players included Ed Barnowski, Steve Dalkowski and Bobby Floyd. The Ports averaged about 400 fans per game, which was actually one of the better years for them.

FYI - I am still looking for Stockton Ports programs from 1956, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1970 and 1971.

[jjp3rd]

I picked this up yesterday! Very cool piece. As far as I can tell it’s a one-off piece of folk-art.

It is 9” corner to corner and the to of the figure’s head is about 7” off the table. All ceramic.


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[ksfarmboy]

That is fantastic John!

[jjp3rd]

Originally Posted by ksfarmboy

That is fantastic John!

Thanks!


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[roarfrom34]

Alan:

Congrats on the addition of that Stockton program!


Full ticket from May 28, 1996 when Cal Ripken Jr. homered three times in Seattle (only time in his career):

[roarfrom34]

menu from Memorial Stadium's Hit & Run Club signed by the entire 1982 team (including rookie Cal Ripken Jr.):

[Chstrite]

Good morning. This week I will cover 1963 for the Brooks Robinson PSA Master Set. There are 13 entries in the master and the first for Bazooka (one of my favorite issues; I collect all things Bazooka and what a chore that has become...I often take breaks with the Bazooka collection but never pass up a Brooks). Starting from the top left you'll find the 1963 Bazooka Panel, the complete box and single hand cut card. The panel is graded a PSA 7, which is pretty high (one graded higher). The hand cut card has two graded higher. The box I was shocked to see it only grade as a PSA Authentic (this was especially hard to accept given the rarity of the box and its value). Because the tabs are missing, it received an Authentic grade, which is interesting as I have another Bazooka box without the tabs they graded as a PSA 5. The Bazooka boxes are very hard to find (especially in a nice condition). To the left of the bazooka box, you will find the 2nd year for Brooks with Salada. The PSA 9 is not that rare (22 others are graded as 9s); there are 4 graded PSA 10s out there. Next, you will see the 1963 Jell-O hand cut card of Brooks. I have sent so many to PSA to be graded and have not had any luck higher than this PSA 3. There are 5 graded higher than this PSA 3, which is actually pretty rare above the Grade of Authentic. I would love to find a complete box (does anyone have one they want to "donate?"). The two Post Cereal' card/panels are nothing special (relatively speaking). Finding a Post Hand Cut card at this level is not easy but there as many as 28 graded higher. The panel has a lot of issues on the bottom and left but they are pretty tough to find (especially with the advertising at the top). There are only two graded. I would love to upgrade this one someday. If I do, maybe I can break the slab and cut the Brooks card out and submit it for a higher grade (I know...blasphemy). Moving to the bottom left you will find the 1963 Exhibits with statistics on the back. This is Brooks' second Exhibit card. This example is graded pretty high; there are 3 graded higher. Next, you will find the 1963 Fleer at a PSA 9. There are 51 graded as a PSA 9 and 4 PSA 10s out there, which I hope to find someday. I am a huge fan of this set. The 1963 Topps Peel Offs are pretty cool. There are 46 total cards in this set. The cards were not numbered and came with and without instructions on the back, which is how PSA grades them. The PSA 9 with the instructions on the back is tied as highest graded and pretty expensive. The PSA 8 with a blank back (no instructions) has one graded higher. This one has 4 other PSA 8 peers. Finally, you will find the two regular Topps Cards from 1963. The Orioles Team card is a PSA 8. Finding a higher graded Team Card is easy but they are pricy. The Topps Regular Card of Brooks at the PSA 9 level is a little expensive but easy to find. There is one PSA 10, which I will "not" worry with. Well, that is 1963. Lots of different examples in 1963 and next week (1964) will have even more. I look forward to the comments and different team issued examples from folks for 1963. Have a warm Sunday and don't forget to take care of your Valentine!

[BaltOrioles]

Originally Posted by Chstrite

I look forward to the comments and different team issued examples from folks for 1963.

Charlie,

Here's a couple 1963 team issued items

1963 Team Issued B&W 8x10 Photo

The Orioles used more posed action shots in 1963, instead of the normal head shots.

Robinson, Brooks 6 - Copy.JPG


1963 Team Issued Postcard

The 1963 and 1964 Orioles postcards used the same photo with slight cropping differences.

1963 Postcards 08 - Copy.JPG

[Chstrite]

Alan, great pictures. Always looking for more Brooks items and you never disappoint.

[JollyElm]

The question has to be asked, what the heck was on Brooks' nose during that photoshoot? It appears in both pictures (obviously taken mere moments apart).

[Chstrite]

Anyone have one of these BW photos laying around collecting dust you want to part with?

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by Chstrite

Anyone have one of these BW photos laying around collecting dust you want to part with?

You didn’t pick it up recently?

[Chstrite]

Hi, Mark. I watched one on eBay for a week or so and underestimated the value. I lost! Been looking for a while. Great photo. ThNks!

[Chstrite]

Good afternoon! The Brooks Robinson PSA Master Set has a lot of different items in 1964. In total, there are 18 items. Going from top left to right...starting out you have the two Topps coins from 1964. The Blue Coin (#125 is tied for highest graded) at PSA 9. This is the All Star Coin (each league had 22). I have a proof and one in its sealed bag but they would not grade them. The #18 coin is harder to find in a higher grade, at least in my experience. There are 120 different coins. I continue to look for a PSA 9 or 10. Next, you have the two Rawlings Premium Photos. The one with the glove at his chest or Bird's Head Cap is not graded very high but it is tied for highest graded. This example is very hard to find. I have two others ungraded with Brooks' signature. The other Rawlings Premium Photo is readily available but this happens to be the highest graded at PSA 6. I recently added the entire 1964 Rawlings Premium Photos to the PSA Master. I am missing 3 (Mantle Black T Shirt, Bill White and Ken Boyer Mets). The photo with the full bird / glove on knee is the same photo found on the 1964 Glove Box Hand Cut. The 4 player panel is very rare. This is the highest graded at PSA 2. The hand cut Brooks card is also very rare but not as high graded. Both are very expensive. I have all 8 hand cut cards on the PSA Master for the Big 8 Box Set. I am looking for a complete box. My set is 2nd on the Registry. Always looking to upgrade if anyone has any extra. On the far right, you see the #3 Bazooka Stamp Panel with Brooks. This panel is hard to find at this grade. The single Brooks stamp is not as hard to find but both are pretty expensive. Bazooka also offered Brooks on a box in 1964. This particular box was very hard to find and I purchased it with the 10 stamps glued on the other side. I tried to get PSA to grade it with the stamps but they would not. I spent several hours with a blow dryer, tweezers and my finger nail removing the stamps. Because of some paper loss, they graded it as a PSA 2, but it is the 2nd highest graded (total graded is 2). This box is very expensive. The Bazooka panel has a mark on the back. I have been looking for a replacement panel but no luck. The hand cut bazooka card is graded as a PSA 9 with 3 peers; there is a PSA 10. This one is pretty expensive. The middle row you will see the 1964 Wheaties Panel with Hank Aaron. This panel is in excellent shape but was graded as a PSA 2. I had a PSA 1.5 but traded it to a Wheaties collector. The single Wheaties stamp is graded as a PSA 9; there are four PSA 10s. Both of these are pretty expensive. I enjoy the Wheaties set. The 1964 Giants set is one of my favorites. This set is still very affordable. This card (far right) is a PSA 9. There are 12 PSA 10s out there; I am always looking for a "10!" At the bottom left, you see the 1964 Topps Regular Card and its contemporary from the Venezuela issue. The regular card here is a PSA 9, which is pretty expensive but it has 69 peers. There are four PSA 10s. The 1964 Topps Orioles Team Card is nothing special but a higher graded version is surprisingly expensive. The Venezuela card is pretty hard to find with a clean "black" back. I have an extra one or two but not as nice. The final card is one of my favorites...the 1964 Topps Stand-Up. This example is the highest one I have seen (PSA 8.5) graded but there are 11 graded higher. There is a PSA 8 on Ebay for a crazy amount of money. 1964 was a break-out year for Brooks as this is the year he won the MVP. He finally started to receive a lot of national attention, especially with collectibles. Hope you enjoyed this week's Brooks Master update. See you next week with 1965, where Brooks appears for the first time on O-Pee-Chee.

[Mark70Z]

Charlie,

“ALL” of those are just AWESOME!! Thanks so much for sharing and explaining some of the rarities as far as the grades. I can’t really see the stamp panel grade; what did that grade?

Hopefully you’ll find a complete Rawlings box. I know I’ve seen one or two in the past, but they were out of my league.

[Chstrite]

Hi, Mark. The Bazooka Stamp Panel is a PSA 5. The Bazooka’s are amazing. I was a little busy today and forgot I had to do this. I can’t imagine doing this every day for a year. Wow! Thanks for the feedback.

[BaltOrioles]

Here are a few more Brooks Robinson items to add to Charlie's 1964 list. The Orioles pretty much used the same photo for all their 1964 team issues. It's actually the same pose as the 1963 postcards, with different croppings.


1964 Team Issued Postcards

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1964 Team Issued 8x10 Photo and Sports Illustrated Premium

Robinson, Brooks 7 - Copy.jpg Robinson, Brooks (Sports Illustrated) - Copy.jpg

The Orioles finally fixed the blemish on Brooks nose, at least on the 8x10 photo


1964 Martin Company Family Night Card July 17, 1964

1964 Martin Family Night #4 - Copy.jpg Martin Marietta - Copy.jpg

[roarfrom34]

I'm sure some of you guys would have heard of (or known) Ted Patterson who was a long time Baltimore area TV/Radio Sports personality (& author) who had a long time relationship with Brooks & owned a world class card & memorabilia collection (which I was privileged to see on more than one occasion), unfortunately passed away yesterday at the age of 76.

Here is an article that was done on his collection a couple years ago prior to it being consigned to an auction house:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ummer-auction/

I was also fortunate to pick up a few items over the years from him for my collection (as well as this photo)....



RIP Ted

[BaltOrioles]

Originally Posted by roarfrom34

I'm sure some of you guys would have heard of (or known) Ted Patterson who was a long time Baltimore area TV/Radio Sports (& author) personality who had a long time relationship with Brooks & owned a world class card & memorabilia collection (which I was privileged to see on more than one occasion), unfortunately passed away yesterday at the age of 76.

Bill,

Sad to hear about Ted's passing. I never met him, but did have some dealings with him over the years. Seemed like a real nice guy.

Here's an Orioles Trivia book he did in 1980.

1980 Ted Patterson's Orioles Trivia Book.jpg

[roarfrom34]

The Autoball Company has been producing those facsimile/souvenir baseballs you see sold at ballparks, etc. since 1947...

I recently picked up Cal Ripken Jr.'s contract with the company (dated March 1980) which goes well with the Cal Sr. ('71) and Bill Ripken ('89) contracts I've owned for years:

[Chstrite]

Good morning. Happy Sunday! As promised, this week I will cover the 1965 items included in the 1965 Brooks Robinson PSA Master. When looking at the picture, the first item top left is the Topps Transfers. This item was inserted into Wax Packs. The set includes 72 different players either blue or red. They are very difficult to find in nice condition. This one is tied as the highest graded at a PSA 8. The 1965 Embossed card was also an insert with 72 different players (again, red or blue). They are condition sensitive. There are 24 graded as a PSA 8 with 3 graded higher. Next is the 1965 Rawlings MVP Premium. I do not think this item is rare, but there are only two graded. I had this one added to the Master, which celebrates Brooks 1964 MVP selection. I have not seen others but I believe there is a similar one for Ken Boyer. Next, there are the two 1965 Brooks Bazooka items. The Panel is in good shape but only grades as a PSA 4. The hand cut single is really nice. It graded as a PSA 8. Both Bazooka's are very affordable. I am sure a 1965 Brooks Bazooka Complete Box is out there but I have never seen one and PSA has not graded one to date. If anyone has one that they can't stomach anymore, I am your guy. Below the Bazooka hand cut card is the 1965 PSA 9 Old London Coin. This coin is tied for highest graded. These were made in Canada and included 40 players. There are 10 PSA 9s. This coin was very expensive but finding nice ones are affordable. I have a sealed one ungraded...should I send it into PSA for a possible PSA 10? At the bottom are the 1965 Topps and O-Pee-Chee 1964 AL RBI leaders. Both are graded pretty nice. They are pretty expensive at a higher grade. I have pretty much given up on upgrading these. The O-Pee-Chee has only 4 graded higher while the Topps one has 74 over a PSA 8. The PSA 9 Orioles Team card is nothing special. I am a big fan of the color. There are 3 PSA 10s out there. The 1964 AL Batting Leaders are next. The O-Pee-Chee is graded at PSA 4.5 and surprisingly very hard to find at a higher grade and quite expensive. Never could figure this one out (there are 20 graded higher but I can't seem to find one). The Topps version has 239 graded as PSA 8 and another 62 graded higher. I have made reasonable offers for a PSA 9 but seem to fall short. Finally, you see the 1965 Topps and O-Pee-Chee regular Brooks cards. The Topps version has 114 cards graded at PSA 9 and only 6 PSA 10s. The O-Pee-Chee is graded as a PSA 8 and there 5 others at that grade and only 6 graded higher. The Topps PSA 9 is a pretty expensive. Well, that is the 1965 list. I look forward to comments and additions to other Brooks items such as the team issued photos and post cards. See you next week with the 1966 Brooks items in the "Master."