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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Nathan
Does anyone have cards from this set? |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I have one card: |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Nathan
Thanks for the pixes...A truly unique item! |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Yes, all of the cards that I have seen were in pristine condition... |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Jason
This is the only one I have. I believe they are all hand cut. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Andy Baran
Hal, |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Andy: |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Max Weder
Does anyone have the patent or trademark information for this game? |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: HW
$20,000 - wow, I believe that this is more than the whole 104 card set sold for when it was sold in its entirety 10 or so years ago. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Scott Elkins
inflation. No seriously, it might be a case like me passing on some Croft's Cocoa cards on eBay and being outbid earlier this year - at times, I just didn't have the extra money due to other purchases and obligations. Also, other ones I passed on, I am still kicking myself for. Now, I would gladly pay the buyers of these cards a NICE PROFIT for the cards I bid on and was outbid. Sometimes people just realize too late they should have bid higher! |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Scott
I bought two of these several years ago for about $400 each, sold them for a tad more, and don't regret it. I never liked game cards much unless they had one of those cool little guys riding a bicycle. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Julie
Cost me 399.99 (plus California tax...) |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Paul
There's one more Allegheny card posted on another thread -- the Frank Selee, posted on the BB Card Hall of Fame thread. Happily, it is mine. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: hankron
Paul is correct. A manufacturer of games or hats or kites might choose to trademark a unique name or design by sending in samples. However, this set does not appear to be samples sent to the Patent Office. As Paul noted, the registration date is printed on the cards, and a company had to send in the product samples before getting a trade mark ... This does not proclude the set from being the company's prototype for a set never issued. It is not ucommon for companies to jump through the copyright and trademark hoops for products that may or may not reach the market. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: John Spencer
If memory serves Lew Lipset had a few years back an Allegheny Matty. I am a bit hazy about the final winning bid but I recall it seemed very reasonable for a one-of-a kind top HOF'er and rookie to boot (Hal?)- perhaps around $2500. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Scott
Kid Gleason (or had). Opinions? |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: john/z28jd
Hey Julie,just because people now know Kid Gleason as the manager of the Black Sox doesnt mean back then he wasnt famous,its actually quite the contrary.He was a star pitcher who won 138 games,before switching to 2ndbase where he also became a star for the New York Giants.There isnt many players in baseball who have won at least 138 games and driven in over 100 runs in a season[thats called and understatement] |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Andy Baran
I believe that these cards were cut long ago, possibly right after they were printed. Essentially all of the cards have Red ink stains along their front borders, which came from the card that was stacked in front of it. I don't believe this wouldn't happen if the cards were recently cut. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Scott
They seem to be cut fairly well: |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: john/z28jd
Andy,it would happen if there were more than one sheet printed which is likely since i doubt they would run off one full set and give up after taking a long time to set it up.If i had to guess,i would say more than one was made but only one was handcut and saved.The stars being cut better back then because they were stars doesnt hold water because of what i said and what Scott just showed |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Hal Lewis
(NOTE: I do NOT practice Patent Law, but I have hired an attorney recently to trademark something for me.) |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Julie
He pitched from 1888-1895, era 3.79. After that, he batted .261. He did play for 22 years. Like i said his main claim to fame was managing the Blacksox, 1919. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: john/z28jd
I assume you meant 1888-1895,he quit pitching because he couldnt adjust to the further distance the mound was moved to in 1894....but you said hes known more for what happened in 1919 which is correct for nowadays but wrong based on when these cards were made.Since they were made in 1904 then you judge a person by what happened up till then and i think i proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was indeed a known player and for a long time a star player by then and not just some nobody |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: warshawlaw
I think you are all barking up the wrong tree. Not patent, not trademark. Copyright. One registers a copyright with the Library of Congress by sending in the item with a form and a few bucks. It is much cheaper and easier than patenting, which (if I recall the case I handled years ago) requires creation of prose and drawings showing the invention, not the item itself, discussions of prior art and presentation of a case before a patent officer. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Julie
being a star player: 3.79; .261. HOwever--you are right about something I was dead wrong about--all my life people have told me that Kid had an older brother, MUCH better known as a player, who played for a long time. Not true. Harry had a very brief career. Nor are there any other "Gleasons" who had long careers, who could have been father or son (and some Gleasons may have been; there were other MLB players by that name)). |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
American Caramel Gleason |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Julie
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: john/z28jd
Julie i never said he did anything wrong in 1919 so why the capitalization of that? |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Adam is of course correct. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Julie
because i was afraid you thought I meant he did something wrong...jeez. I admitted I was WRONG about Gleason's status as a player; he played for 22 years, hit over 3 three times and pitched under 3 twice; he lost as many games as he won.....postings of other common players have shown that not all common players' cards were badly cut. |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Brian McQueen
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Julie
to us! |
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1904 Allegheny Set
Posted By: Paul
Hal, the procedure you described of getting a trademark registered before you use the trademark has existed only since about 1990. Before that, the government would not allow you to register a trademark until you had actually used it on your product. So the Allegheny folks did not use that procedure. |
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