Popular National Acquisition - Covid

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Yeah, it seems like harping on Fauci for calling the vaccine a dead-end for the virus is splitting hairs, given that at the time he said it, two doses of the vaccine basically was a dead-end because of how it limited the virus in the nasopharynx, thereby bringing transmissibility close to zero. And to entertain the idea that Fauci was lying is a bridge to crazytown.

One thing that has always bothered me was that it was even called a vaccine in the first place. If they had called it something else, it may have reduced the confusion.

I think that’s fair. There were probably some pretty high level folks that thought it was a true vaccine at the time and I bet there were a few scientists that worked on it that cringed at the word.

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by tpeichel

1) mRNA technology has been in development for a long time. Why were the covid vaccines the first to get approved? All previous attempts failed in non-clinical trials because of the adverse events to the animals in the trials.

So, does this mean that the 'vaccine' was ready to go years before the Covid 'virus' hit in 2020? Was Big Pharma just sitting on this 'vaccine' technology waiting for a time to push it?

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, a virus emerges and then a vaccine is developed? Sounds kinda fishy, no?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Yeah, it seems like harping on Fauci for calling the vaccine a dead-end for the virus is splitting hairs, given that at the time he said it, two doses of the vaccine basically was a dead-end because of how it limited the virus in the nasopharynx, thereby bringing transmissibility close to zero. And to entertain the idea that Fauci was lying is a bridge to crazytown.

One thing that has always bothered me was that it was even called a vaccine in the first place. If they had called it something else, it may have reduced the confusion.

there was a bridge to crazy town in the other direction when saying natural immunity met nothing essentially in terms of your job and many freedoms and having your business open.....

its also downplaying how Biden explained the vaccine, words matter such as peaceful protests or dont say gay bill, if you use the word vaccine you live and die by it..if not use a different word..

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

So, does this mean that the 'vaccine' was ready to go years before the Covid 'virus' hit in 2020? Was Big Pharma just sitting on this 'vaccine' technology waiting for a time to push it?

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, a virus emerges and then a vaccine is developed? Sounds kinda fishy, no?

"The good news is, both vaccines use innovative messenger RNA, or mRNA technology, and that means researchers have the ability to change and tweak the vaccines to adapt to new variants more easily than with conventional vaccines."



https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/why-...-variants.html

I guess that bad news is...they dont work as well as a "vaccine"

Cant say any of the ones people took as children didnt "work"

In fact, when we had a little scare of measles due to REAL "anti-vaxxers" like the Hasid, I spoke to my sons pediatrician. He reccomend a measles booster for my son, since "we really dont know how long the vaccine lasts for, but we are pretty sure it (MMR) is until adulthood and possibly life"


Studies outside of the good ole USA are showing possibly 2 months, and maybe no reduction in risk to chronically ill.

Not yet peer reviewed
Now this is the Bivalent vaccine, 2 strains in one.

In Finnish register-based cohort analyses, we compared the risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes among those who received bivalent vaccination (exposed) between 1 September 2022 and 31 January 2023 to those who did not (unexposed). Among elderly aged 65–120 years, bivalent vaccination reduced the risk of hospitalisation and death due to COVID-19. Among the elderly the hazard ratios comparing exposed and unexposed ranged from 0.36 to 0.43 during the first 14–30 days since bivalent vaccination but signs of waning were observed as soon as two months after vaccination. Among the chronically ill aged 18–64 years bivalent vaccination did not reduce the risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....02.23286561v1

[tpeichel]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

So, does this mean that the 'vaccine' was ready to go years before the Covid 'virus' hit in 2020? Was Big Pharma just sitting on this 'vaccine' technology waiting for a time to push it?

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, a virus emerges and then a vaccine is developed? Sounds kinda fishy, no?

When Moderna exploded to a one billion company 5-6 years ago it was because of the promise of their new mRNA technology for a rare disease called Crigler-Najjar syndrome. The drug never made it to clinical trials because they determined it was not safe for humans after the non-clinical testing.

At the time they announced they were focusing on the "less lucrative" vaccine market. Turned out being quite the boon for their shareholders.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

So, does this mean that the 'vaccine' was ready to go years before the Covid 'virus' hit in 2020? Was Big Pharma just sitting on this 'vaccine' technology waiting for a time to push it?

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, a virus emerges and then a vaccine is developed? Sounds kinda fishy, no?

There you go again talking conspiracy theory nonsense again.

The CEO of Moderna Stephane Bancel admits that he knew in 2019 that his company would make big money because there would be a pandemic and they had already manufactured the ‘vaccine’ in 2019 before the pandemic.https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/...Czkc__2qktAAAA

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

"The good news is, both vaccines use innovative messenger RNA, or mRNA technology, and that means researchers have the ability to change and tweak the vaccines to adapt to new variants more easily than with conventional vaccines."



https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/why-...-variants.html

I guess that bad news is...they dont work as well as a "vaccine"

Cant say any of the ones people took as children didnt "work"

In fact, when we had a little scare of measles due to REAL "anti-vaxxers" like the Hasid, I spoke to my sons pediatrician. He reccomend a measles booster for my son, since "we really dont know how long the vaccine lasts for, but we are pretty sure it (MMR) is until adulthood and possibly life"


Studies outside of the good ole USA are showing possibly 2 months, and maybe no reduction in risk to chronically ill.

Not yet peer reviewed
Now this is the Bivalent vaccine, 2 strains in one.

In Finnish register-based cohort analyses, we compared the risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes among those who received bivalent vaccination (exposed) between 1 September 2022 and 31 January 2023 to those who did not (unexposed). Among elderly aged 65–120 years, bivalent vaccination reduced the risk of hospitalisation and death due to COVID-19. Among the elderly the hazard ratios comparing exposed and unexposed ranged from 0.36 to 0.43 during the first 14–30 days since bivalent vaccination but signs of waning were observed as soon as two months after vaccination. Among the chronically ill aged 18–64 years bivalent vaccination did not reduce the risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....02.23286561v1

Oops.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

So, does this mean that the 'vaccine' was ready to go years before the Covid 'virus' hit in 2020? Was Big Pharma just sitting on this 'vaccine' technology waiting for a time to push it?

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, a virus emerges and then a vaccine is developed? Sounds kinda fishy, no?

Wow

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

there was a bridge to crazy town in the other direction when saying natural immunity met nothing essentially in terms of your job and many freedoms and having your business open.....

its also downplaying how Biden explained the vaccine, words matter such as peaceful protests or dont say gay bill, if you use the word vaccine you live and die by it..if not use a different word..

Trump was the biggest proponent of the vaccine. Why are you bringing Biden into it? Selective memories I guess.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

So, does this mean that the 'vaccine' was ready to go years before the Covid 'virus' hit in 2020? Was Big Pharma just sitting on this 'vaccine' technology waiting for a time to push it?

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, a virus emerges and then a vaccine is developed? Sounds kinda fishy, no?

They were sort of 'sitting on' the basic technology, as they had had issues passing clinical trials but these previous mRNA products were for other diseases. The mRNA 'vaccine' that was released was built on the back of a lot of this older work, but it did not exist before the disease. They didn't have a 'vaccine' before the disease. If they did, compelling evidence has not been produced of such.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Wait, they didn’t know everything about this new situation at the time? Conspiracy!!!!

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Yeah, it seems like harping on Fauci for calling the vaccine a dead-end for the virus is splitting hairs, given that at the time he said it, two doses of the vaccine basically was a dead-end because of how it limited the virus in the nasopharynx, thereby bringing transmissibility close to zero. And to entertain the idea that Fauci was lying is a bridge to crazytown.

One thing that has always bothered me was that it was even called a vaccine in the first place. If they had called it something else, it may have reduced the confusion.

It's cute how you 2 keep defending "Mr. Science" despite what is laid out right in front of you.
Talk about a bridge to crazy town. I hope you 2 can at least hold each others hands while crossing it.
America' COVID Response Was Based on Lies

https://www.newsweek.com/america-cov...pinion-1785177
https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/...DR0cqm-6ktAAAA

‘Cover-ups Have to End’: Senator Ron Johnson Calls for Investigation into COVID-19 Origins and Accountability for Anthony Fauci

“Cover-ups have to end. The American public deserves the truth. The world deserves the truth on this.”
https://twitter.com/UngaTheGreat/sta...C9idH--aQtAAAA
How Fauci Fooled America
https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-f...pinion-1643839
Now that it is clear to everyone with eyes to see that Fauci organized a cover up to squash the lab leak hypothesis, here's a reminder that he tried to fool the public on the science of lockdown and covid mitigation too.

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/...Cxnf7b66gtAAAA

[irv]

Gee, I wonder why, of all the years Fauci could have retired, why he chose the very end of last year?
Nah, that's just a coincidence.

"You use Lockdowns to get people vaccinated" Fauci Explained it all...a long time ago. They had nothing to do with anything else...You know....the lockdowns he claimed he did not call for that Trump, King of All Lockdowns, Decreed be Imposed on America...this is how a real Journalist would have responded to Fauci on any Policy he wanted to be implemented...I found the One Time Fauci told the Truth
https://twitter.com/DavidCWillisUSA/...92456264826881

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

Gee, I wonder why, of all the years Fauci could have retired, why he chose the very end of last year?
Nah, that's just a coincidence.

"You use Lockdowns to get people vaccinated" Fauci Explained it all...a long time ago. They had nothing to do with anything else...You know....the lockdowns he claimed he did not call for that Trump, King of All Lockdowns, Decreed be Imposed on America...this is how a real Journalist would have responded to Fauci on any Policy he wanted to be implemented...I found the One Time Fauci told the Truth
https://twitter.com/DavidCWillisUSA/...92456264826881

Or could be because he’s 82 and spent the last several years saving lives while dealing with abuse from people with newly proclaimed medical degrees from Twitter. Those guys are the best.

[G1911]

If it is crazy town to suggest it is possible that Fauci lied (Logically there are two options, he was wrong and did not know he was wrong or he lied, those are the two possibilities), we prefer to believe he was ignorant and did not know? Doesn't that undermine the entire argument?

If it is stupid not to believe X because Y said X was so, but then it turns out Y didn't know and was making false claims and X was indeed false (take your pick on the specific issue here, vaccines stop transmission, the vaccines are actual true vaccines, the lab leak is a right wing conspiracy lie, masks are not effective and you don't need to go get them [February-March 2020], masks are very effective [April 2020]), how can we rationally argue that the original sequence makes any sense and keep using it? When Y was wrong about A, B, C, D, and E, whether intentional or unintentional, how can we hold T, U, V, W, and Z to be true because Y said so? Should that not be a clue that perhaps a conclusion determined by the speaker isn't really arriving at truth?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by irv

It's cute how you 2 keep defending "Mr. Science" despite what is laid out right in front of you.
Talk about a bridge to crazy town. I hope you 2 can at least hold each others hands while crossing it.
America' COVID Response Was Based on Lies

https://www.newsweek.com/america-cov...pinion-1785177
https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/...DR0cqm-6ktAAAA

‘Cover-ups Have to End’: Senator Ron Johnson Calls for Investigation into COVID-19 Origins and Accountability for Anthony Fauci

“Cover-ups have to end. The American public deserves the truth. The world deserves the truth on this.”
https://twitter.com/UngaTheGreat/sta...C9idH--aQtAAAA
How Fauci Fooled America
https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-f...pinion-1643839
Now that it is clear to everyone with eyes to see that Fauci organized a cover up to squash the lab leak hypothesis, here's a reminder that he tried to fool the public on the science of lockdown and covid mitigation too.

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/...Cxnf7b66gtAAAA

https://archive.org/details/fauci-emails/mode/2up. You'll probably find this interesting, even with the massive redactions, if you haven't read it directly already.

I don't think I agree on most of the conspiracies, but there does appear to be significant evidence that the lab leak theory was suppressed in an organized manner by the state when they should have known or did know there was reason to it and serious investigation was merited, at the least.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Or could be because he’s 82 and spent the last several years saving lives while dealing with abuse from people with newly proclaimed medical degrees from Twitter. Those guys are the best.

LOL. Saving lives? He's the one who caused them. Please tell me you're just trolling and not really this blind and naive?

So now all the anti lab leak propaganda can be traced back to Tony Fauchi. In normal times the population would have had a healthy level of doubt towards big Government and big Pharma but with a raging case of TDS infecting half the population all bets were off.
https://youtu.be/FbG5bKWgs7E

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

https://archive.org/details/fauci-emails/mode/2up. You'll probably find this interesting, even with the massive redactions, if you haven't read it directly already.

I don't think I agree on most of the conspiracies, but there does appear to be significant evidence that the lab leak theory was suppressed in an organized manner by the state when they should have known or did know there was reason to it and serious investigation was merited, at the least.

A Ecohealth guy, a whistle blower in this case, has come out and stated this is exactly what Fauci has done.
They used Ecohealth as a way of indirectly funding Wuhan and this is how fauci thought he could get away with it and why he lied to congress.

The whistle blower, (Andrew Huff, if I recall correctly?) also stated they are aligned with the CIA.
I'll see if I can dig it up tomorrow.
If true, I think some heads are going to roll, and rightfully so.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

LOL. Saving lives? He's the one who caused them. Please tell me you're just trolling and not really this blind and naive?

So now all the anti lab leak propaganda can be traced back to Tony Fauchi. In normal times the population would have had a healthy level of doubt towards big Government and big Pharma but with a raging case of TDS infecting half the population all bets were off.
https://youtu.be/FbG5bKWgs7E

Probably more sensible to think of him as the mastermind behind the new world order who set out to kill people I guess.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Probably more sensible to think of him as the mastermind behind the new world order who set out to kill people I guess.

im guessing the jan 6 panel was fair and balanced and shared all the info to the public fairly afterall it was bipartisan

also whats americas narrative on how the russian pipleline in the ocean was destroyed?>


trusting the govt is important to democracy

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

https://archive.org/details/fauci-emails/mode/2up. You'll probably find this interesting, even with the massive redactions, if you haven't read it directly already.

I don't think I agree on most of the conspiracies, but there does appear to be significant evidence that the lab leak theory was suppressed in an organized manner by the state when they should have known or did know there was reason to it and serious investigation was merited, at the least.

its not a little thing when something kills millions and our own government was suppressing information...but the public will care more about a misleading clemente book ban headline and claim one side only suppresses thought while lab leak issue is overlooked.'

no really lets more deep dive into this important clemente book issue because after all its in death santis state....lets dig deep as its unamerican about how freedom of thought on this book si not allowed......not allowing any alternative to the wet market theory..no big deal...

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

im guessing the jan 6 panel was fair and balanced and shared all the info to the public fairly afterall it was bipartisan

also whats americas narrative on how the russian pipleline in the ocean was destroyed?>


trusting the govt is important to democracy

At the same time it's hard to listen to those who almost never agree with basic facts and are always alleging a conspiracy. Dominion voting machines are rigged, the capital riots were started by antifa, etc. It then moves into even crazier space lasers and pizza parlor claims but those (I hope) are a bit more on the fringe of acceptance.

[tpeichel]

Originally Posted by Carter08

At the same time it's hard to listen to those who almost never agree with basic facts and are always alleging a conspiracy. Dominion voting machines are rigged, the capital riots were started by antifa, etc. It then moves into even crazier space lasers and pizza parlor claims but those (I hope) are a bit more on the fringe of acceptance.

Jimmy Saville and Epstein Island confirmed the Elite Pedophile Rings, the Twitter Files confirmed many of the "conspiracy theories" from the past few years, the original conspiracy theory that our government assassinated a sitting President was confirmed.

At this point, when the establishment scoffs at something challenging the official story by calling it a conspiracy theory your ears should perk up and take notice, not dismiss it.

Discerning the truth has always been difficult, but now more than ever, it is a vital skill.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by tpeichel

Jimmy Saville and Epstein Island confirmed the Elite Pedophile Rings, the Twitter Files confirmed many of the "conspiracy theories" from the past few years, the original conspiracy theory that our government assassinated a sitting President was confirmed.

At this point, when the establishment scoffs at something challenging the official story by calling it a conspiracy theory your ears should perk up and take notice, not dismiss it.

Discerning the truth has always been difficult, but now more than ever, it is a vital skill.

Instead of backing away from pizzagate you double down on it. Amazing!

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Instead of backing away from pizzagate you double down on it. Amazing!

I think irv may have found his people here at Net54. Two peas in a pod.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Instead of backing away from pizzagate you double down on it. Amazing!

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

I think irv may have found his people here at Net54. Two peas in a pod.

Obey.

[irv]

Oops, poor Tony. Looks like he's going down.
I hope his admirers are going to be OK?
Even those at the CDC who didn't agree with the narrative were silenced and shunned.
Just how stupid could these Democratic morons be thinking none of this would get out.

MTG & Fmr. CDC Dir. Redfield

CDC director: “Concocting a single narrative is the antithesis of science.”

For years we allowed science to be manipulated by interests and politics.

Further we went on to shame, divide and discriminate those that stood up and questioned the irrationality of a single scientific narrative.

It will take time to hold people accountable and it will take time to heal, but we will come out of this stronger.
https://twitter.com/forevaeva79/stat...20884261736448
https://twitter.com/CartlandDavid/st...20884261736448
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/sta...C9yb7_sastAAAA

Former CDC Director Redfield: "Gain of function probably caused the greatest pandemic our world has seen"

https://twitter.com/davidzweig/statu...Cz6bKFqKstAAAA

Unbelievable. The biggest scam ever bestowed on mankind.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

Oops, poor Tony. Looks like he's going down.
I hope his admirers are going to be OK?
Even those at the CDC who didn't agree with the narrative were silenced and shunned.
Just how stupid could these Democratic morons be thinking none of this would get out.

MTG & Fmr. CDC Dir. Redfield

CDC director: “Concocting a single narrative is the antithesis of science.”

For years we allowed science to be manipulated by interests and politics.

Further we went on to shame, divide and discriminate those that stood up and questioned the irrationality of a single scientific narrative.

It will take time to hold people accountable and it will take time to heal, but we will come out of this stronger.
https://twitter.com/forevaeva79/stat...20884261736448
https://twitter.com/CartlandDavid/st...20884261736448
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/sta...C9yb7_sastAAAA

Former CDC Director Redfield: "Gain of function probably caused the greatest pandemic our world has seen"

https://twitter.com/davidzweig/statu...Cz6bKFqKstAAAA

Unbelievable. The biggest scam ever bestowed on mankind.

It would be better if you arranged this on a poster board with thumb tacks and strings to show the deep state patterns in play. The dark highlighting is convincing but it could be better.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Carter08

It would be better if you arranged this on a poster board with thumb tacks and strings to show the deep state patterns in play. The dark highlighting is convincing but it could be better.

Aah, you poor thing. Are you going to be OK? I'm worried about you. I know it must be real tough to admit you've been totally duped into believing the narrative you were spun but try your best to move forward and past this.
Best not to listen to this one below. I know in your fragility, it might just send you right over the edge.

Dr. Robert Redfield, the former CDC Director, believes that US taxpayer money from NIH, State Department, USAID, and DOD funded the creation of SARS-CoV-2:

"They wanted a single narrative, and I had a different point of view... Science has debate, and they squashed any debate... I think it's an inaccurate paper that was part of a narrative that they were creating... I think there's no doubt that NIH was funding gain of function research."

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/...DSmbi0qastAAAA

Curious, has democratic underground (better known as Duh-underground) told you what to think about all this yet, Mr. just left of center?

[tpeichel]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Instead of backing away from pizzagate you double down on it. Amazing!

Why back away from the truth? Epstein provided underage girls for sex to elite politicians, actors, billionaires, and royals. It is not a conspiracy that Bill Clinton and Bill Gates went to the island 30+ times. And Maxwell is in jail for procuring young girls for sex with these scumbags.

Do you also believe that Epstein killed himself?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Trump was the biggest proponent of the vaccine. Why are you bringing Biden into it? Selective memories I guess.

Not sure why that matters. Trump and Biden can both be wrong..

However Trump never forced the vaccine on anyone, i do remember they claimed would be a miracle for a vaccine to be made so fast and called trump crazy for that. I never said against the vaccine, i am against not being able to sue for it if you get sick if take it now or losing your job and all the other things that were not granted to people without taking vaccine for the most part especially the ones that had natural immunity.

I am for all medicines including vaccines.. again your classic spin ..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

At the same time it's hard to listen to those who almost never agree with basic facts and are always alleging a conspiracy. Dominion voting machines are rigged, the capital riots were started by antifa, etc. It then moves into even crazier space lasers and pizza parlor claims but those (I hope) are a bit more on the fringe of acceptance.

we going to worry about the dominon machines and space lasers. AOC is on the cover of major magainzes.....there was summer rioting because people wanted to have bread she says.....the difference is you, apparently and the media and government support AOC a much larger percentage then the fringe elements you are claiming...i dont see Marjorie Greene on all the news being celebrated how great she is. When you invoke space lasers as your point, then you are bringing in AOC as a counter point...you cant have it both ways..


just because there is an argument one can make on both sides doesnt mean they are the same in value If you got to argue dominonn machines and space lasers, i dont see a huge reliance on that that impacted 100s of millions of people like natural immunity and the like....you are really reaching, i can bring up tons of crazy stuff on the other side.. but for some reason the capital riots not mostly peaceful it appears but the summer riots were mostly peaceful....

Tucker cherry picked video but jan 6 panel did not cherry pick .i believe both cherry picked .. but the narrative will not be that and thats as crazy as the space lasers..

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by tpeichel

Why back away from the truth?

Many folks just can't handle the truth, after being force-fed lies for decades by the MSM on a daily basis. They will never accept they were duped.

[tpeichel]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

Many folks just can't handle the truth, after being force-fed lies for decades by the MSM on a daily basis. They will never accept they were duped.

Yes, it is extremely difficult to admit that you were duped. I was an ardent supporter of the war in Iraq. I argued for the merits of it time and time again.
Eventually, when no WMDs were found and the war was just chewing up humans in surge after surge with no end in sight, it became obvious that we had been tricked and the wars in the middle east had been a terrible decision. I was duped.

Ever since, I have been much more skeptical.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by tpeichel

Yes, it is extremely difficult to admit that you were duped. I was an ardent supporter of the war in Iraq. I argued for the merits of it time and time again.
Eventually, when no WMDs were found and the war was just chewing up humans in surge after surge with no end in sight, it became obvious that we had been tricked and the wars in the middle east had been a terrible decision. I was duped.

Ever since, I have been much more skeptical.

The skepticism can lead to absurd results. People literally stormed the Capitol because they were fed lies. Be careful.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Carter08

The skepticism can lead to absurd results. People literally stormed the Capitol because they were fed lies. Be careful.

Yes, my role model was the guy in the viking hat.

Call me Qanon "Sherman"


Since people are all the same. Either the believer or they dont believe the covid narrative. No middle ground. they are all trumpers, pro life, bible/gun toting, rednecks. Now where's that tin foil hat

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Yes, my role model was the guy in the viking hat.

Call me Qanon "Sherman"


Since people are all the same. Either the believer or they dont believe the covid narrative. No middle ground. they are all trumpers, pro life, bible/gun toting, rednecks. Now where's that tin foil hat

Agreed that it’s sad that views on covid and the vaccine have absolutely followed party lines. That’s why I’ve said from the beginning try to take politics out of it and talk to your doctor or at least consult peer reviewed studies. That concept has been met with ridicule from you all on the rights side of the political aisle. Makes no sense to me. Oh well.

[irv]

Poor, Carter.

"The scientific community is very afraid to speak up on political issues because govt grants are handed out through "peer review committees" so you don't want to say anything negative or political or else you won't get your grants so therefore they, the peer reviewers, can't be relied on to tell the truth"

Mr. Wade. The first guy.
https://youtu.be/WJF0fb8moyE

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

Poor, Carter.

"The scientific community is very afraid to speak up on political issues because govt grants are handed out through "peer review committees" so you don't want to say anything negative or political or else you won't get your grants so therefore they, the peer reviewers, can't be relied on to tell the truth"

Mr. Wade. The first guy.
https://youtu.be/WJF0fb8moyE

If scientists are against you just allege a conspiracy. Sad.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Carter08

If scientists are against you just allege a conspiracy. Sad.

Can you agree less and less "voices" are heard when mainstream media is concentrated in the hands of a few?


I think the vaccine is a choice, and I think anyone who wasnt high risk, or in an environment where they were around 100s of people, could make their own decision. I don't agree with people being "forced" to take it. I cant see how if someone took it, how could they still get infected. Kind of like the old motto "do what you want in your house, but dont let it effect me, or ask me to pay for it. We have now pivoted to a new normal in unprecedented times where the vaccine will not protect you. So how on Gods green earth would it matter of anyone took the vax or not?

Dont take it "risk death"

Take it "symptoms are less"


Roll that dice!


I personally believe we have a population problem and mother nature isnt doing her damndest to reduce it . Only the hubris of a human would think they can defeat her. Myself, I start at home. I do small things and I present my lifestyle to others, if they ask, as minimalistic to do our part to help reduce our footprint. I think the garbage alone from PPE, vials, syringes, etc are going to have a lasting impact on the environment. Funny, most of it was made in China. 10% to the big guy!

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I personally believe we have a population problem and mother nature isnt doing her damndest to reduce it . Only the hubris of a human would think they can defeat her. Myself, I start at home. I do small things and I present my lifestyle to others, if they ask, as minimalistic to do our part to help reduce our footprint. I think the garbage alone from PPE, vials, syringes, etc are going to have a lasting impact on the environment. Funny, most of it was made in China. 10% to the big guy!

I think we have found some common ground. I also think that there are too many people and that there is an environmental toll from all of the masks that get thrown out, etc.

But as a general policy, I do think there should be a coordinated response to pandemics, and that doing nothing would have been a mistake. And it is hard to deny that the shutdown was a huge win for the environment. Less transportation and general human activity was a real break for planet earth.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

The skepticism can lead to absurd results. People literally stormed the Capitol because they were fed lies. Be careful.

and now we have lies of what happened that day but appears the people so mad about the storming capital does seem upset up the the lies now. (5 officers didnt die that day etc)

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Agreed that it’s sad that views on covid and the vaccine have absolutely followed party lines. That’s why I’ve said from the beginning try to take politics out of it and talk to your doctor or at least consult peer reviewed studies. That concept has been met with ridicule from you all on the rights side of the political aisle. Makes no sense to me. Oh well.

and all of the banning came from the left side of the aisle it appears...ifs theres an argument to be made on both sides why ban one side...

[tpeichel]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

and all of the banning came from the left side of the aisle it appears...ifs theres an argument to be made on both sides why ban one side...

Incorrect. The portals set up to allow government agencies the ability to demand censorship of individuals on social media was not partisan. Massive first amendment violations were done across all ideologies.

Power and authority can be wielded for good or evil. Unfortunately, at this point in our Republic, those with power and authority are not doing what is best for the citizens of this nation, so of course they want to make their activities as opaque as possible.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

and now we have lies of what happened that day but appears the people so mad about the storming capital does seem upset up the the lies now. (5 officers didnt die that day etc)

Seems like a half-hearted defense of what happened. Do you condemn those that stormed the Capitol? I doubt it.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Seems like a half-hearted defense of what happened. Do you condemn those that stormed the Capitol? I doubt it.

Walk around the Capitol in a viking suit or sit in Pelosi's chair and go to prison for 3+ years, burn down someones lifelong business in Kenosha or a police station in Seattle and get bailed out immediately by a Hollywood multimillionaire and then have all charges dropped by a woke DA.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Walk around the Capitol in a viking suit or sit in Pelosi's chair and go to prison for 3+ years, burn down someones lifelong business in Kenosha or a police station in Seattle and get bailed out immediately by a Hollywood multimillionaire and then have all charges dropped by a woke DA.

It's quite amazing, isn't it? Not one word about Fauci or any of the other rotten, corrupt and evil SOB's involved in this covid scam that killed thousands and thousands and ruined the lives of many more, no, lets deflect and lets say, hey people, looky over here,, January 6th, January 6th, this is the real important news. SMH.

And he says he is just left of center. Best yarn I've heard in a while.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Walk around the Capitol in a viking suit or sit in Pelosi's chair and go to prison for 3+ years, burn down someones lifelong business in Kenosha or a police station in Seattle and get bailed out immediately by a Hollywood multimillionaire and then have all charges dropped by a woke DA.

Seems like a half-hearted defense of what happened. Do you condemn those that stormed the Capitol? I doubt it.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

It's quite amazing, isn't it? Not one word about Fauci or any of the other rotten, corrupt and evil SOB's involved in this covid scam that killed thousands and thousands and ruined the lives of many more, no, lets deflect and lets say, hey people, looky over here,, January 6th, January 6th, this is the real important news. SMH.

And he says he is just left of center. Best yarn I've heard in a while.

Seems like a half-hearted defense of what happened. Do you condemn those that stormed the Capitol? I doubt it.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Seems like a half-hearted defense of what happened. Do you condemn those that stormed the Capitol? I doubt it.

The ones who pepper sprayed and assaulted cops and vandalized and damaged government property? Absolutely. The ones who didn’t do that but were given ridiculously long sentences because they pissed off the elites and are going to be made examples of for everyone else to get in line? No. Do you condemn the thugs who burned down buildings, looted, assaulted innocent bystanders, threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at cops all under the excuse of “injustice to unarmed Black men by racist white cops”? I doubt it.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Seems like a half-hearted defense of what happened. Do you condemn those that stormed the Capitol? I doubt it.

What are you, 12? Get off being a troll?
The last time I checked, this was the covid thread. If you want to start another thread about the B.S., nothing but fake Democratic theatre insurrection, then go right ahead.
If you're having trouble or don't know how to go about it, just ask.

In the meantime, you have anything to say about Fauci and what has now come to light how he funded GOF and actually started this whole pandemic?
Of course you don't, because doing so would be admitting you were easily duped into believing all the lies you were spewed about covid and the vaccines now wouldn't it?

Hey, look over there everyone! It's a climate crisis. Be afraid, be very afraid!!!!
Sheep gonna sheep...

[Shoeless Moe]

Can't we just get along....


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