Will Peyton manning make the HOF ?

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Dustin,

Do you watch the news regularly or just subscribe to Al Jazeera's BS? The guy who accused Manning of wrongdoing came out the night of the report and said he made up the entire story! Come back from Mars and tune into the internet!

100% Hall of Famer. No questions asked.

Peace, Mike

Do live in reality or a fake world with nothing but do gooders ?
He had to retract it ! He didn't want any part of this . He does not want his dark secrets coming out , he doesn't want to get sued , he has no choice but to say oops nah I didn't illegally sell drugs to a multimillionaire. Come on man smh .

[vthobby]

I needed a good laugh and you just supplied myself and whomever else reads your post enough for one night.

Thanks!

Mike

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

I needed a good laugh and you just supplied myself and whomever else reads your post enough for one night.

Thanks!

Mike

Well I guess the answer was not reality.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Do live in reality or a fake world with nothing but do gooders ?
He had to retract it ! He didn't want any part of this . He does not want his dark secrets coming out , he doesn't want to get sued , he has no choice but to say oops nah I didn't illegally sell drugs to a multimillionaire. Come on man smh .

Too late.... He's getting sued.

My only qualm with you believing him is this: you state that the guy was a crook and was illegally selling drugs and due to those and other skeletons coming out, he decided to retract his statement. Even if the latter half of that is true, are we now taking the word of the crooked drug dealer over a bunch of guys who (unlike PED users of the 90s) are well aware of the media repercussions of getting caught?

Your argument is completely relying on taking the word of a crooked drug dealer with skeletons in his closest (your paraphrased words). Seems to have little merit.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Do live in reality or a fake world with nothing but do gooders ?
He had to retract it ! He didn't want any part of this . He does not want his dark secrets coming out , he doesn't want to get sued , he has no choice but to say oops nah I didn't illegally sell drugs to a multimillionaire. Come on man smh .

I live in a world where punctuation is followed by a space, but none come before them.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

I live in a world where punctuation is followed by a space, but none come before them.

I thought I did as well. But to answer the OP's question, yes Peyton is a first ballot HOFer. I think even if he admitted he used something while recovering from the neck injury he still gets in. But I could be wrong about that.

[dgo71]

FWIW, Clemens was not found innocent, he was found not guilty, and there is a huge distinction. Furthermore, what he was found not guilty of was perjury, which is among the toughest thing in the world to prove in a court since it's very hard to prove what someone knew when they supposedly lied. Clemens was better at age 41 than he was at age 31, or even 21. If you think he was clean you're delusional.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by dgo71

FWIW, Clemens was not found innocent, he was found not guilty, and there is a huge distinction. Furthermore, what he was found not guilty of was perjury, which is among the toughest thing in the world to prove in a court since it's very hard to prove what someone knew when they supposedly lied. Clemens was better at age 41 than he was at age 31, or even 21. If you think he was clean you're delusional.

I don't think he was clean, I just don't care.

The "steroid era" is a myth.

Lyle Alzado fully admitted he started on anabolics in college in 1969. 1969!

If he had access in college in 1969, pro players would have been aware much sooner. The arguments that all your heroes are gods is silly. These are all men.

To increase production, the teams in the 60s and 70s had salad bowls of amphetamines in the locker rooms. To say they would frown on anabolics is crazy.

Nothing has ever been made to increase skill, no drug helps hand to eye. Those that were not taking something, were not doing their job.

To cast away a handful of the many because the media witchhunt singled them out is foolish.

I choose to not care.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by dgo71

FWIW, Clemens was not found innocent, he was found not guilty, and there is a huge distinction. Furthermore, what he was found not guilty of was perjury, which is among the toughest thing in the world to prove in a court since it's very hard to prove what someone knew when they supposedly lied. Clemens was better at age 41 than he was at age 31, or even 21. If you think he was clean you're delusional.

Can you show me evidence? Nolan was pretty good at that age ......
He was found not guilty your right . But he was found not guilty of lying about taking Peds if they had anything on him they would have proven he lyed and would have been found him guilty .

[autograf]

I think Manning's a first ballot Hall of Famer for sure. BUT.....when I heard him talking about the situation and he said that maybe his wife had a different regiment than he did, it sounded kind of fishy. It was an odd statement......

The thing that gets me most is that NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, ESPN, etc would all be considered much better news sources for such a story, so why didn't he go to them? If he wanted the story to be taken seriously, I would have thought he'd use what would be perceived as a more reliable source--whether that's really the case or not, the perception in the USA of Al Jazeera is not like a Pulitzer factory or anything...........

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

He was found not guilty your right . But he was found not guilty of lying about taking Peds if they had anything on him they would have proven he lyed and would have been found him guilty .

How do you prove someone lied based on what they're accused of lying of? Obviously if they had anything on him, the results would have been different. The unfortunate truth was all they had was, in the end, hearsay. From extremely credible sources, but hearsay nonetheless. Roger did a good job covering his tracks and had great lawyers. If they had something on OJ they would've proved he lied too.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by dgo71

Clemens was better at age 41 than he was at age 31, or even 21. If you think he was clean you're delusional.

Ummm, so was Nolan Ryan. Point???

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm, so was Nolan Ryan. Point???

Ummm, just that that's completely unnatural. Ryan didn't string together three seasons of 4+ ERA's before winning 4 Cy Young Awards and posting the lowest ERA of his career at age 42. Clemens got to the point where Boston decided they could let him go, then all of a sudden at an age when his performance should see a natural decline he puts together the most dominant stretch of his career. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though I guess.

[Rookiemonster]

He not getting sued the net work is getting sued . In 2016 nobody but you and a handful of grammar police care about the way someone composes what they write on a baseball card forum . Your lucky it's not in emojis and short hand . Call me when people start writing in script again .

If you don't believe criminals or drug dealers well that's a issue for you .
Because even the judicial system will belive any one of those people and grant them immunityto say what they know . So that doesn't even hold water . How about murders ? Where would the mob be if not for Sammy the Bull ? Lol
I'm sure Sammy was a stand up kind of guy . How about any time someone is recorded with out there knowing ( and there breaking the law ) that is used as evidence against them .

[bigtrain]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

He not getting sued the net work is getting sued . In 2016 nobody but you and a handful of grammar police care about the way someone composes what they write on a baseball card forum . Your lucky it's not in emojis and short hand . Call me when people start writing in script again .

If you don't believe criminals or drug dealers well that's a issue for you .
Because even the judicial system will belive any one of those people and grant them immunityto say what they know . So that doesn't even hold water . How about murders ? Where would the mob be if not for Sammy the Bull ? Lol
I'm sure Sammy was a stand up kind of guy . How about any time someone is recorded with out there knowing ( and there breaking the law ) that is used as evidence against them .

Interesting comment but in my experience, juries do not like witnesses with criminal records and usually don't believe them. There are, of course, exceptions.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Interesting comment but in my experience, juries do not like witnesses with criminal records and usually don't believe them. There are, of course, exceptions.

Yes there are exceptions but more often then not is a criminal is willing to squeal
On other criminals they take there word .

[bigtrain]

Again in my humble opinion, in my experience in 34 years as a criminal defense attorney and as a prosecutor having tried over 150 cases before juries, that statement is not accurate.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

He not getting sued the net work is getting sued . In 2016 nobody but you and a handful of grammar police care about the way someone composes what they write on a baseball card forum . Your lucky it's not in emojis and short hand . Call me when people start writing in script again .

If you don't believe criminals or drug dealers well that's a issue for you .
Because even the judicial system will belive any one of those people and grant them immunityto say what they know . So that doesn't even hold water . How about murders ? Where would the mob be if not for Sammy the Bull ? Lol
I'm sure Sammy was a stand up kind of guy . How about any time someone is recorded with out there knowing ( and there breaking the law ) that is used as evidence against them .

Grammar is important. I wasn't trying to be a grammar police, I just have never seen anyone else ever put a space before their punctuation. I found it a little amusing. Also, grammar, at the very least, saves everyone a little time from trying to decipher the thoughts that you are trying to relay. It also makes you look not unintelligent when you actually can use your native language correctly.

If your typing and grammar look unintelligent, people normally make the assumption that your thoughts probably are too.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

Grammar is important. I wasn't trying to be a grammar police, I just have never seen anyone else ever put a space before their punctuation. I found it a little amusing. Also, grammar, at the very least, saves everyone a little time from trying to decipher the thoughts that you are trying to relay. It also makes you look not unintelligent when you actually can use your native language correctly.

If your typing and grammar look unintelligent, people normally make the assumption that your thoughts probably are too.

Steve-

As the son of an English teacher, I applaud your reminders. With a little effort, perhaps we can save a few even if it is only one at a time.

Keep up the 'red pen' corrections,
Raymond

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Steve-

As the son of an English teacher, I applaud your reminders. With a little effort, perhaps we can save a few even if it is only one at a time.

Keep up the 'red pen' corrections,
Raymond

As the husband of an English Professor, I spend a fair percentage of my week receiving reminders of my perceived slights of the English language.

However, as a supervisor in the financial sector who has numerous fresh college grads coming in regularly, the decimation of a comprehensive written thought is a common occurrence. I often feel like I should have bruises from smacking my head on the desk after proofing some of the correspondence going out.