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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
According to the official Hall of Fame web site, the following HOF members were inducted as "MANAGERS": |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Andy Baran
McGraw & Foster |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
McGraw: .334 lifetime hitter ... but only 1309 hits. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Hands down. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Dan Koteles
Ty Cobb, he managed and was the best in the game ...didn't state which order of HOF that you meant ! |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Andy Baran
I picked both McGraw & Foster because I think it is difficult to say which is the better "player" when you are comparing pitchers vs. players. It's like asking who was the better player - Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson? |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)
I'd go with Foster than McGraw and Torre. I would also note that Foster's induction, while he was both a player and manager of more than suffient merit to justify being in the Hall of Fame, also recognized his nearly single-handed construction and maintenance of the original Negro Leagues..... |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: jay behrens
Dan, only problem with your answer is that Cobb was elected to the HOF as a manager. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Julie
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Dave
I think the list is incomplete. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: tbob
Don't forget Johnny "Crab" Evers, Roger Bresnahan and Frank "Peerless Leader" Chance since this is a vintage board. Chance was a helluva player-manager but Evers had the best player-manager year of anyone when, in 1914, he led the Boston Miracle Braves on the field and off. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Aren't we missing the point here? Hal posted a list of HOFers who were inducted as MANAGERS and then posed the question: which of THESE GUYS had the best playing career. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: jay behrens
Jimmy Collins is pictured with Minneapolis Millers in the t206 set. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Ryan is correct in his clarification. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Let me see if I understand this. McGraw, with a .334 lifetime BA ans a .466 OBP is not worthy of HOF status on that basis alone? |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Pcelli60
McGraw and Griffith |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: jay behrens
Gilbert, I assume you missed the post that pointed out McGraw, despite hitting .340 one year, was still 3 points below his TEAM's average and his team didn't even lead the league that year. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: HW
Rube Foster is definitely my first choice. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)
I think Griffith (who is not on Hal's list above) is in the HOF as a player not a Manager. Chance, who is in the HOF as a Player, is easily HOF class as a Manager as well. In fact, "the Peerless Leader" probably belongs more as Manager than as a Player..... |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Jay: |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Gilbert, |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: PASJD
They have formulas which are supposed to neutralize for statistical differences among eras. McGraw is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the HOF as a player except on one measure. (All time ranks are in parentheses) |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Gee Ryan, I thought that my e-mail could be assessed thru my log on info. People have previously had success with that. In any case, My e-mail address is identify7@aol.com. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: jay behrens
Gilbert, to give you an idea of how inflated numbers were during McGraw's era, the league batting average during his career (I omitted his last 4 years since it totals about 20 games) is .283 and the OBA .340. During Bonds' career the league avg is .260 and OBA is .323. Those are some pretty huge spreads. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Jay, I don't know why, but I just gotta see if you are goin' to say again "No, he isn't" |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Kenny Cole
If McGraw was ever among the best, a proposition which I don't agree with, it was only for a very short while. He was only a regular or semi-regular for 9 years. In fact, he played in over 100 games in only five seasons. In two other seasons, he exceeded 90 games. Overall, he only had 3924 AB and only 1309 hits. To my way of thinking, that isn't really a HOF-quality type of career. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Dave Williams
As the forum newbie, I just love this website, I just dabble in cards, but have been working on some older Topps Sets. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Doug Doremus
Your question leads me to another that a friend and I have been debating: Should a player be elected to the Hall of Fame on the basis of playing and managing careers combined--on the basis of overall contributions to baseball? |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: sayitaintsojoe
...Joe Torre's numbers are often overlooked. |
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Which HOF "manager" was the best "player"?
Posted By: Julie
Not only player, manager and innovator, but pitching AND hitting and fielding (I guess it will be in someone else's lifetime that Caruthers and and Hoy get in). Why do you have to make it as ONLY a player, a pitcher or a honcho? I guee John M. Ward beat the system, sort of. |
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