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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
Since Steve wanted to go public with a "hypnotically situation" and then tell me he has stuff pasted... I think Will get it out as he will. Hopefully people can see how B/S/T deals can go South quickly with people. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Steve M.
Saved me the hassle of having to go through all the emails. That's pretty much the way it went down. Don't see any commitment to buy and isn't that what its really all about. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Steve M.
Just opened an email from JC: |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Cat
I vote: right |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Wesley
Steve is in the right here. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
Steve your little sarcastic e-mails late last night were recieved but I will not post anymore of this deal, as it is over. Nice writing in the B/S/T thread as well... Whoops I see YOU DELETED the Rose post... Hurry up and delate the Ullman one as well. Don't let people see other little jabs you take... To bad you jsut can't say you messed up and you should have mentioned that another card was in a deal... |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Joe D.
In my correspondence with both of you.... I can't find a bad thing to say about either one of you. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Jeff Mohler
A hearty "amen" to the previous post. Ihave dealt with Steve M only once. However, he sold me a card that I really wanted and below market value at that! I haven't had the pleasure of ever meeting JC, but I understand that he is a stand up guy too. There are enough crooks out there that I hate to see two of the good guys disagreeing! |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Keith O'Leary
2 good guys, Steve was in the right. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Lee Behrens
Same here 2 good guys, here are my thoughts: |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: warshawlaw
What Would Wapner Do? |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Tony Andrea
Absolutely no piece of cardboard is worth what's happened here. Brian W. said it best. Tony Andrea |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: dan mckee
Nothing but great deals with Steve, one very hard, strongly negotiated but turned out ok deal with JC. After reading this, I can see both sides on this. I agree with JC that asking for a scan, he should be 1st in line until scan is viewed and answer given. I also see Steve's point as well, the vultures attack quickly when you have something desirable up (yes I am one of the vultures usually). I like the majority here, 2 good folk, 1 minor misunderstanding, continue to march. Dan. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: T206Collector
...right. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Jason L
but more importantly, for future use, would the Board agree that the best way to go about this (as a buyer), if you see something you think you really want, is to just say so in the first email, with a condition to see the scans?...I have done this and it has worked well. (e.g. "I want to buy the ___, subject to a review of the back scan. Please send when convenient.")....this, way, the card is yours, with the reservation to decline if you don't like the back, and it will then go to the next person in line to show interest... |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: barrysloate
A question for JC- if the only issue was whether or not there was writing on the back, why not just ask; and if it is the way you want it, just grab it. While there are two ways to look at this transaction, with such high demand material, why even take the chance of losing it? I would just pounce. How bad could it be- Steve could have given you a fair description of it. If I see something I really want, the more time that goes by, the greater the chance that something may go wrong. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Joe D.
isn't anything a person says that follows the words "subject to" automatically going to throw them behind a person who says "I will take it" without the words "subject to"? Subject to = clause / no matter what the 'subject to' refers to. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Joann
Jason, |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Jason L
good points...the more communication the better, and if the seller states groundrules like this etiquette stuff up front, it will minimize problems, I'm sure... |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Dave
IMO the person selling the item basically can do whatever they want with it. Its really not any different than ebay. A seller can end an item whenever...a seller can sell to the second highest bidder...the seller is the one pulling the strings. I dont think anything in this case was done with malicious thoughts. If someone is going to wiggle money in front of your face....so be it. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Cobby33
If someone lists something on eBay with a BIN and a potential buyer asks for a scan without hitting BIN, is there a deal? I think not. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Dave
I think the deal here is....if you can't agree on how things went down, then don't do business with each other again. I'm sure there are plenty of other takers and sellers on both sides. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Jason L
The BIN is a different format, altogther....ask for a scan before you hit the BIN...The BIN isn't a dialogue, it's just a statement |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Cobby33
I understand that, but my point is that a firm offer trumps a dialog in any format. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Joe Jones
This is a mostly a Forum of friends! I think the b/s/t transactions should be conducted in a friendly manner. If someone asks me for a back scan from the bst, I always hold the card because I feel it would be the nice thing to do. If they ask for a scan then they are obviously interested in the card. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: E, Daniel
Out of interest, why don't people just post scans of the front and back of the card when listing on BST? |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Rick McQuillan
Boy Daniel, you hit the nail on the head. Most of these problems can be avoided by providing scans or a link to scans with the original post. Everyone will know immediately what you have, and all that is needed is an email that says "I will take it!". |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Steve M.
First of all, in my initial post I described the back as clean, not postally used. Mr. Clarke has had enoungh dealings with me involving many thousands of dollars to know that I know how to describe a card. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
Again to simplify the time line: |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Steve M.
OK, so you want to keep this going. I'm game. The "Hypothetical" thread was to everyone on this board other than you I guess, just that, a hypothetical. You chose to take it "persoanlly" and "out" yourself as the slug on the other end of the transaction. I was quite content to gather some insight into what others thought I should have or could have done. It wasn't personal, it was you who made it so. Grow up. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Cobby33
Somehow I think that even posting scans won't prohibit disagreements between sellers/buyers/potential buyers. Wonder why? |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: leon
money .....(and I am as guilty as the next) |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Steve M.
money has absolutely NOTHING to do with this transaction. I'm sure Mr. Clarke would have gladly paid the $1,750.00 I was asking for the card. And had he made a commitement I would have been obligated to sell it to him. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Dave
I've never dealt with Jim Clarke first off....I've also never seen anything from him on this board that would scream out he'a a problem guy...as far as I can see he's probably relatively easy to deal with. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: leon
Resent all you want. My statement wasn't made directly towards you. It is about the money, in the hobby, though...otherwise that thing wouldn't be worth close to $2000.00. If it was $5 we wouldn't be having this discussion, imo. The passion and much of the hobby is driven by money. I don't like it anymore than any other true collector (the only reason I buy and sell). Denying that is naive imo....You are entitled to yours too but my comment wasn't made intentionally at anyone. Cobby asked a question and I answered it. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Steve M.
I will. If you want to talk about money start a new thread. Keep it out of this one. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)
I agree with the previous posters - chalk it up to a misunderstanding and be done with it. |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Cobby33
"We" resemble the comment about "you people." |
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Steve M. "jacklitsch" Wrong or Right?
Posted By: Dan Koteles
first person that says, "I do ".Iam not waiting for anyone ever and potentially lose my buyer. It doesnt matter if the 2nd or 3rd guy in is very close to me hobby wise, either. If you ham, haw ,fart... fragabate, etc....it could be gone, i have learned my lesson both ways. WHat is right in our minds, may be wrong to others.....we do not all think the same, i know what is good for me,"SHOW ME THE MONEY !!! |
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