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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: steve
Today, Internet news article on Joe Dimaggio's 56 consecutive game hitting streak. |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Did I miss something? Why is Joe D's hit streak in the news today? |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: MVSNYC
FWIW, i also believe after the streak was snapped, he then went on another tear for about 17 more games... |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: Matt
I don't know how you could look it up, but a telling stat in the "luck" debate would be does Joe hold the highest batting average over a 70 game span? |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: barrysloate
You are correct Michael. |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: davidcycleback
All streaks involve some degree of lucky chance. Cal Ripken could have sprained his ankle tripping on the rug. The 2007 New England Patriots won some games that could have gone either way. The last game went the other way. If you're saying a famous streak involved some chance, I don't doubt your claim. |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: Dan Bretta
There has to be a little luck, but I believe it is mostly just being a good consistent hitter which Joe was. The guy rarely went into a slump...61 games in a row in the PCL and then 56 games in a row in the majors is more than just luck. |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: DD
I'm not a Dimaggio fan by any means but, it was not luck. He was a great hitter, on an incredible hot streak, and everything just came together. Mathematically, I'm sure Tom Tango, or someone else could analyze every at bat, in every situation, during the streak, to come up with some kind of luck factor. You still have to hit it where they ain't. |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: MVSNYC
"In the light that the two players had identical season totals, there's no rational reason to say Ted's 56 hit-games were any lesser. It's just that Ted's scattered 56 games don't align with fan's aesthetic views." |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
It's even more stressful when someone steals your bat and you have to borrow Henrich's bat! |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: steve
The article on Dimaggio is on today's MSN internet news page - left side toward bottom is section titled, "Also on MSN" - There you find the "Cadillac-Dimaggio Record" article by Kara Yorio. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
None of them require luck...all of them require skill and consistency. In a philosophical sense there really is no such thing as "luck" IMO. If luck was involved then any joe schmoe could get lucky and hit in 56 straight games....does that mean that the thousands of major league players that have come along since 1941 were just "unlucky" because they haven't equaled or bettered Joe's streak? |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: davidcycleback
Duly note that my post was specifically premised on the two players having the same number of total hit games and total hits at the end of the season. It's a matter of how the hits and hit-game are clustered over the season, and whether a tight, bright cluster (streak) is objectively superior or merely aesthetically more pleasing to fans. As mentioned, it's not objectively clear that the streaky player is superior to player who spreads the same feats out over the entire season. In fact, many managers would prefer the latter player. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
davidcycle- i'm quoting you, so DON'T edit your post... |
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Posted By: Matt
There is some luck involved - the pitchers had to give him something to hit - had he gotten the Barry Bonds treatment - he never would have made it to 56. |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: howard
"Does Joe hold the highest BA over a 70 game span?" |
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Posted By: steve
With all the great points of view, it seems Joe's 56 game streak may not be the greatest record of them all. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I think the three major league records held by Sam Crawford will never be broken....Career Triples (309), Inside the park homers in one season (12) and career Inside the park homers (51). All of them have to do with park factor and that's the main reason I think they will not be broken. |
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Posted By: steve
Maybe draw a line between deadball era and post dead ball era. Kinda keeps apples to apples. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Barry's .863 slugging percentage. |
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Posted By: DD
Number of wins in a season. I doubt we will ever see 30 again, and even 26 or more is a stretch. This is especially true if the 6 man rotation, or some semblance thereof, ever becomes the norm. |
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Posted By: dennis
"the streak" has plenty of controversy.i guess he did get the calls |
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Posted By: Eric B
By definition, a 56 game hitting streak means you hit in 56 out of 58 games if you include the game before and after the streak. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
That's an example was what I was saying, Eric. In your example, the 56 game streak would be popularly singled out as the astounding feat, while the 57 games with hits during the same span might go relatively unnoticed. The perception that the 56 games with hits is better than the 57 games with hits is, of course, irrational. If you mentioned it that way (56 versus 57), without mentioning the streak, about all fans and sports writers would pick the 57 games with hits as being superior. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Sixty-six years prior....and, 66 years since....and, no one has come even close to such an amazing streak. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
"By definition, a 56 game hitting streak means you hit in 56 out of 58 games if you include the game before and after the streak. |
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Posted By: howard
The logic is simply that hitting in 57 of 58 games is as valuable as hitting in 56 of 58 games. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I hate to disagree with your..... |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
Ted- interesting point about hitting .400, BUT the fact remains that it's still tuff enough, that no one else has done it in the last 66 years... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Ted is absolutely correct about keeping one's at bats low, and to get as many walks as possible. Williams was incredibly disciplined and if he didn't have a good pitch to hit, he took the walk. |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
In 1938, Johnny Vander Meer of the Cincinnati Reds pitched two consecutive no-hitters. In order to break this record, a pitcher would have to pitch three consecutive no-hitters — not bloody likely. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
bruce, very true...but i would regard that as a "feat" not a record (if that makes sense?) |
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o/t news today Dimaggio Streak
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for backing me up on this......at times I have had difficulty convincing others of this. |
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