Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

And there's a very simple solution - stop buying graded cards. Period. Full stop. Never buy another graded card in your life. And you will solve this problem.

But no one will do that.

So PSA, Moser and PWCC will win.

That's a naive take in my opinion. Everything isn't just black and white. There's an in-between. What about those of us who were new to collecting and paid the money to preserve and grade our legitimate cards only to get 1's and 2's because we had no clue this stuff was going on?

Personally, I was new to all of this in the last decade. Here's a bit of a glimpse to the other side. I'm sure we're not the only people with this experience. My dad and I had a growing collection and when trying to navigate what to do with our cards we saw "oh wow PWCC/Probstein/Novella have the same cards as us, they're crappy looking but got a 7 or 8 and sold for ridiculous amounts, surely our cards will get a better grade!" We learned the hard way, especially with PSA. It didn't matter what our cards looked like. Because we were submitting a mere 10 at a time no way in hell were we getting grades like those submitting 100 cards at a time. That's why we switched to SGC.

At the end of the day there are many people out there like me who had their unaltered cards graded completely unaware of what was going on behind the scenes. Some of us actually have legit graded cards. They're not all involved in this mess. Don't hate on those of us who have followed the rules and stayed true to our hobby.

[perezfan]

There's still a ton of information that has yet to come out before we know how deep this really goes. This is just the infancy stage. Some rather interesting new quotes, and damning implications pertaining to the TPGs on pages 177 and 178 of the Blowout Mantle/PWCC thread.

Link...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=177

[Peter_Spaeth]

N300 Anson, from an A to a 5. Jeez.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=182

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

N300 Anson, from an A to a 5. Jeez.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=182

Wow that’s bad real bad.....PSA is striking out big time.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Wow that’s bad real bad.....PSA is striking out big time.....

Add one to the refund line.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Card looked trimmed to begin with not sure how it got into a holder the second time whether or not it was recolored or just cleaned.

[kateighty]

Wowzers. Thanks Mark for the specific pages. Also, I vividly remember that Anson (both times) and checking back here on N54 to see if anyone was calling it out. Something certainly seemed fishy to me at the time.

[Johnny630]

Yes

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Card looked trimmed to begin with not sure how it got into a holder the second time whether or not it was recolored or just cleaned.

Agree.....Peter.

So many bad bad cards in holders with grades.

I’m not giving PWCC or the Doctors a pass by any stretch however......

My question is will PSA lose it’s credibility in the industry ??

How can any auction houses Or dealer have confidence selling/auctioning cards in PSA holders that were not submitted by themselves??

I have a feeling this years national is gonna be scary for many dealers...idk

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Add one to the refund line.

Can wait 6 months or more, afterall what choice does he have...

doesnt even make the 5k or more list..