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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Ben
Is it a general consensus that t206 hofers with rare backs do not command as high a premium as commons with rare backs? |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: runscott
yes |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Ben
Then I am a unique back collector. I really like hofers with rare backs...kind of the 'double whammy' |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Marc S.
There are exceedingly few instances where the multiples paid for a HOF rare back even come close to approaching the multiples paid for a common with a rare back. |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: runscott
Because you can get them without paying the full associated premium. For instance, I sold a Matty portrait with Brown Hindu back for about 30% more than a common back would go for. I've seen Cy Young and other Matty's generate similar results. Less common 'semi-difficult' backs such as Sovereign and Polar Bear have almost no effect on HOF'ers. |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Robert
OK how much would a Cobb red Background with a Lenox back go for in VG? Rob |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: B C Daniels
given the fact price guides state this or that back is "5X" of regular issue there are lots of people who buy into that concept. Now you and I and everyone else except Quans on this board know that for a truly rare card to begin with.....oh let's say a T-206 Chesbro in NM* or a M.Brown with Cubs on shirt in NM* will command great exponents because the card regardless of the back brings a premium and a rare back in this case will raise eyebrows! I had A Matty T-206 with Broadleaf 460 back I sold to Doug Allen and surely it would have great appreciation for the back given the fact the "base" card is both popular and commands greater interest already moe over your "garden variety" Griffith or other less popular HoFer like HAL CHASE** ( just kidding because 13.6% of e-bay sellers think Prince Hal is in the Hall of Fame)but you hate when I'm kidding so back to the serious nature of Ben's question. For the most part,yes is correct but there are tons of rare exceptions like my two examples! |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: warshawlaw
I'd say that if a card has a big back multiplier for a common then you are typically not going to see a commensurate multiplier for a HOFer with a rare back. While there are a lot of people who will pay $300 for a $30 card with a rare back, there just are not that many people who will pay $2,500 for a $250 card because of the back. The back collectors would prefer to devote the bucks to other rare backs and the HOFer collectors normally don't care enough about the backs to go gaga over them. My selling experience has been that a typical HOFer (i.e., not Cobb, Johnson, Young, Matty) with a tougher back fetches a premium that is a relatively small percentage of the multiplier you might see for a common. I've never been able to double or triple the base price of such a card simply because "book" on a Cycle or Tolstoi is more (examples only; I don't know what the multiplier for these brands is, so don't jump all over me). That being said, I would never be surprised in any given context if a nice card of a HOFer with a rare back at auction went at some ridiculously high multiple over the "normal" version because of a bidding fight. |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Ben
...vbarning's Evers and Tinker hindu's today. Both were low grade with pencil marks, the Tinker (portrait) ended at about $90, the Evers (cubs on shirt) ended at about $70. Pretty reasonable prices for hofers w/hindu backs if you ask me! |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: David Williams
That back premiums are more based on a set $$ amount vs. a multiplier? Wouldn't this seem to hold better regarding condition as well? For instance, I doubt a NM/MT example would sell for the same premium with a rare back (in % terms) than a VG example would garner... |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Andy Baran
I think it's great that you have chosen T206 HOFers with Rare Backs as one of your collecting interests, and that you are willing to pay premiums for the cards. However, just keep the following in mind when purchasing the cards: |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Ben
Would you prefer a t206 Johnson in G-VG condition with a Cycle back? |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}
Hi Brian what do you think the value of a Ty Cobb Red Background with a Lenox back is? Robert |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Ben
in what condition? |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: ty_cobb
In the Superior Sportscards auction a VG |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Julie
It's the rarified air up there with the HOFers with rare backs that--brings them down a few notches.,(who wants to pay 2500 for a 250 card?) I like my HOFers with rare backs (count them:1): Bender w trees. Carolina Brights. ex-mint. Then I have a Johnson, hands at chest. ex+/ex-mt with a Polar Bear back--i know Polar Bears are not rare, but when you get one that doesn't show tobacco on the front, it's really neat; the back's so dark, and the front so clean. |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}
The Cobb is in VG. Rob |
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t206 Hofer's w/rare backs vs. Commons w/rare backs
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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