auto racing cards

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Interesting. I don't think I was aware that card even existed.

I was wondering when more Futera's would come out. They are not common, but I'm pretty sure they had a reasonable print-run.

So far it appears Hamilton's 1st known appearances in Cards goes as follows:

Formula 3 Series - 2005 Formule (Czech publication)

Formula 2 Series - 2006 Futera

Formula 1 Series - 2008 Ravensbuger "Pole Position" Game card , 2009 SI For Kids Card, 2009 Top Trumps Card

I think there's another one in there, that gives even me the willies, that I'm not listing.

He also has a 2007 card from the Formule magazine in which he is labeled as an "F1" driver.

https://www.tcdb.com/GalleryP.cfm/pi...Lewis-Hamilton

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

He also has a 2007 card from the Formule magazine in which he is labeled as an "F1" driver.

https://www.tcdb.com/GalleryP.cfm/pi...Lewis-Hamilton

Ah, good to know. Looks like he also had a 2008 issue from them.

Wish I knew enough to start hoarding Czech magazine inserts, 10 years ago or so.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Ah, good to know. Looks like he also had a 2008 issue from them.

Wish I knew enough to start hoarding Czech magazine inserts, 10 years ago or so.

One of the 2008 Formule Hamilton cards sold at auction on eBay for around $800 maybe six months ago. There was also another 2008 Hamilton Formule listed for various prices between $500-1,000 as a BIN shortly after that, but I have not looked in a while to see if it is still listed.

Not a card but close enough from the mid 70's of the Super Swede

[Peter_Spaeth]

Went the safe route on Verstappen.

[D. Bergin]

Just got these back from SGC. I thought they really nailed me on the centering and the typical for this issue print bleed at the top, for the Senna portrait, while I thought they would hit me harder for the black borders on the Verstappen.

[Bored5000]

I have always liked the Senna portrait from that set. That is such a neat image. I know the card is not rare, but it is so cheap compared to some of the other early Senna cards/stickers with an image that isn't great.

On another topic, some of the Goldin results seemed really strong to me. I was shocked by $1,440 by the Nico Rosberg Futera card. Rosberg only has one world title and does not have a huge collector base, so that price surprised me.

https://goldin.co/item/2006-futera-g...needs-psanj6rx

Also, the $3,120 for the Senna signed program seemed very strong. Given the choice, I would rather have a signed card or photo.

https://goldin.co/item/ayrton-senna-...ogram-jsai3fh9

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I have always liked the Senna portrait from that set. That is such a neat image. I know the card is not rare, but it is so cheap compared to some of the other early Senna cards/stickers with an image that isn't great.

On another topic, some of the Goldin results seemed really strong to me. I was shocked by $1,440 by the Nico Rosberg Futera card. Rosberg only has one world title and does not have a huge collector base, so that price surprised me.

https://goldin.co/item/2006-futera-g...needs-psanj6rx

Also, the $3,120 for the Senna signed program seemed very strong. Given the choice, I would rather have a signed card or photo.

https://goldin.co/item/ayrton-senna-...ogram-jsai3fh9

Yeah, it's a pretty good shot.

I thought this 1984 Senna panel in the Goldin auction was interesting. I haven't seen one in that strong condition before.

https://goldin.co/item/1984-panini-f...okie-cardi9syo

[Kzoo]

Guys..........I picked up this Lewis Hamilton team promo card from 2007 today at a local card show. I would grade it about VG-EX and the price was reasonable. I can't find the exact issue when searching online, but found a couple similar ones. It measures 8.25"x almost 4". Does anyone have any more info on this issue? Thanks in advance........Matt

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

Guys..........I picked up this Lewis Hamilton team promo card from 2007 today at a local card show. I would grade it about VG-EX and the price was reasonable. I can't find the exact issue when searching online, but found a couple similar ones. It measures 8.25"x almost 4". Does anyone have any more info on this issue? Thanks in advance........Matt

That's a neat card. I think a lot of card collectors ignore the racing team promo cards, ad cards and postcard type releases...I know I'm guilty of this for the most part, but a part of me thinks I should expand my search a bit and make things a little more interesting.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's not a Lampo but it's not bad.

[Bored5000]

The '66 Panini is a great image of Clark, and it is still accessible at a reasonable price.

[Bored5000]

Here are a couple recent pick ups. I love the obscure and different. This Hamilton card from the 2022 Topps Industry Conference seems really cheap for a Hamilton card with only around 60 examples produced.

I also picked up this 1946 Omnia Sport rookie of Alberto Ascari. The card is paper thin and very tiny, noticeably smaller than a T206 or most tobacco cards. But there are not a whole lot of options for early Ascari cards. He was 1952 and '53 Formula 1 champion, then was killed in 1955 testing at Monza on a day he was not even scheduled to be in a racecar.

[Bored5000]

Here are a couple more of my pick ups that I had not scanned until today:

I like this 1988 Panini image of Ayrton Senna because it is an early Senna sticker and the price is still reasonable.

I will never get the David Brown Brown card from the T227 set, but the Ralph Mulford card is still cool. There are still people that contend Mulford actually won the inaugural Indy 500 in 1911. Scoring was a complete debacle that day and Mulford was forever credited with finishing second to Ray Harroun.

Interesting tidbit from that race: Harroun and Mulford finished first and second that day and were also the last two drivers from the inaugural Indy 500 to die. Harroun died at age 89 in 1968 and Mulford died at age 88 in 1973.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have noticed that the 2009 Top Trumps Hamilton keeps getting cheaper, and the 2009 SI for Kids keeps getting pricier. What's up with that, supply? The 2020 cards are great, but being a RC collector, I think I need to get something I can call a rookie.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have noticed that the 2009 Top Trumps Hamilton keeps getting cheaper, and the 2009 SI for Kids keeps getting pricier. What's up with that, supply? The 2020 cards are great, but being a RC collector, I think I need to get something I can call a rookie.

Both of those cards seem fairly accessible on eBay at any given time, so I am not sure if supply is the reason. I guess if I had to choose between those two options, I would go with the Top Trumps card. The image of Hamilton is not great, but I dislike the SIFK card being a car shot with just a tiny image of Hamilton on the back.

You are right, though, some of those raw Top Trumps Hamilton cards can be had for next to nothing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Both of those cards seems fairly accessible on eBay at any given time, so I am not sure if supply is the reason. I guess if I had to choose between those two options, I would go with the Top Trumps card. The image of Hamilton is not great, but I dislike the SIFK card being a car shot with just a tiny image of Hamilton on the back.

You are right, though, some of those raw Top Trumps Hamilton cards can be had for next to nothing.

Neither is a great card, that's for sure.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Went with the SIFK. Just can't deal with that TT pic.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Went with the SIFK. Just can't deal with that TT pic.

Ah, yes, the familiar Hobson's Choice of early Hamilton cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

The '66 Panini is a great image of Clark, and it is still accessible at a reasonable price.

I did not realize Clark had a card from 1962 but there is one in PWCC now. A pinhead shot for sure.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I did not realize Clark had a card from 1962 but there is one in PWCC now. A pinhead shot for sure.

I was aware that Clark had a card in that PetPro set. The entire set is action shots and does feature some drivers with few to no other cards, but I have always been lukewarm on the set because the cards are so small and are action shots.

In the last couple months, I have also seen several of Clark's 1965 Perfetti candy cards show up; they are pretty tough.

I don't really think I am "outing" the following auction to a whole lot of people by mentioning it here, but I am kind of surprised by this 1951 Alberto Ascari card currently at nearly $300 on eBay. I was not even previously familiar with this card, but he does have some earlier cards that sell for less money.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/403950616638

[D. Bergin]

Seen these Max Verstappen German Top Trumps dated as 2016 by SGC. I appreciate that SGC is grading these non-English issues, but wish they put a little more research into the dating.

The pose and the text (in German) is the same as the 2016 English Top Trumps that is accepted as his Rookie card, but the overall design, and the stats on the front are different.

Stats match what they would be after the 2016 season ended at the end of November 2016...so unless they pumped this set out immediately in December of 2016, this is a 2017 set...and not a Verstappen Rookie year card.

I still like the card, it's likely scarcer then the English language one, and the last one I saw went for what seemed like a bargain to me on Ebay, even as a 2nd year card...though one a few weeks earlier went for considerably more...so maybe collectors are wise to this issue already.

[D. Bergin]

Also seems like Verstappen's first Top Trumps card is outselling Hamilton's...by like...a lot.

Maybe it's a supply issue, but there's definitely a recency bias going on...I guess, just like baseball/basketball/football prospects and younger stars.

He looks absolutely dominant, but he still has only half as many titles as Vettel.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Also seems like Verstappen's first Top Trumps card is outselling Hamilton's...by like...a lot.

Maybe it's a supply issue, but there's definitely a recency bias going on...I guess, just like baseball/basketball/football prospects and younger stars.

He looks absolutely dominant, but he still has only half as many titles as Vettel.

I know it is a fool's errand to try to predict how a guy's career will ultimately play out. But with the schedule being 23-24 races for the foreseeable future, there is realistic chance that Verstappen's career numbers will be right there with Hamilton and Schumacher by the time he is done.

The other thing is, Hamilton does have some other early options for cards that have talked about before in this thread.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Finally found a Jackie Stewart. Not a great card due to the pose, but if you have to have the rookie.

[D. Bergin]

Some unopened packs I've restrained myself from opening up (so far).

#1. 1980 Panini "F1 -Grand Prix" packs. Not as glamourous as the mid-80's sets (ie. no Senna), but still very neat.

#2. 1984 Galp Energy "Formula 1 - Grand Prix" packs. Portuguese issue similar to Panini's

Notable in that this contains a very early Ayrton Senna card on the Toleman team. I believe the earliest card of him in a released set that just features him and not his car or part of a perforated panel with another driver.

Example (not mine):

[aljurgela]

Issued in Argentina

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Some unopened packs I've restrained myself from opening up (so far).

#1. 1980 Panini "F1 -Grand Prix" packs. Not as glamourous as the mid-80's sets (ie. no Senna), but still very neat.

#2. 1984 Galp Energy "Formula 1 - Grand Prix" packs. Portuguese issue similar to Panini's

Notable in that this contains a very early Ayrton Senna card on the Toleman team. I believe the earliest card of him in a released set that just features him and not his car or part of a perforated panel with another driver.

Example (not mine):

I haven't looked lately, but there was a Galp Senna with a big BIN on eBay for a long time. WIth how much early Senna stickers have taken off over the past year or two, I wonder what that would go for in an auction.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by aljurgela

Issued in Argentina

Very cool 1948 Fangio. There are not a whole lot of great options when it comes to early Fangio, Ascari and Farina cards. We discussed the 1958 SADA earlier in the thread. The SADA has a neat image of Fangio. But yours is much earlier, of course.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I haven't looked lately, but there was a Galp Senna with a big BIN on eBay for a long time. WIth how much early Senna stickers have taken off over the past year or two, I wonder what that would go for in an auction.

The one I pictured is the one on EBay.

[Kzoo]

I've been interested in picking up an Andretti RC for quite awhile and recently couldn't pass this one up.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

I've been interested in picking up an Andretti RC for quite awhile and recently couldn't pass this one up.

Nice pick up, Matt. Like a lot of cards, the 1969 Panini Andretti has come down in price in recent months. I think a PSA 7 Mario rookie is a great hold long term.

[Bored5000]

I am excited to pick up this 1994 Futera Ayrton Senna tribute card. I have wanted one for a while, but they almost never show up anymore. The card is numbered to 500, but they were only released in Australia (AFAIK). I picked it up from an Australian seller on eBay who said he had the card since its release.

I also like the biography of Senna on the back of the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't think I've ever seen this before.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37454774256...QAAOSwOuRj8opl

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think I've ever seen this before.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37454774256...QAAOSwOuRj8opl

Eddie S. mentioned it earlier in the thread. Looks like it's a Czech magazine insert issue from his time in Formula 3, I believe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Eddie S. mentioned it earlier in the thread. Looks like it's a Czech magazine insert issue from his time in Formula 3, I believe.

Ah I missed it before. The seller is Czech so that makes sense. At that price I'll content myself with my lowly SIFK.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ah I missed it before. The seller is Czech so that makes sense. At that price I'll content myself with my lowly SIFK.

That card is quite a "bargain." Goldin sold an SGC 8 of Hamilton's F3 card for $16,800 last November. An eBay BIN price should be at least double from a five-month old auction house price.

https://goldin.co/item/2005-formule-...c-nm-mt-8y39mp

[Arazi4442]

I actually got caught in a meeting at work and forgot this auction was ending. Looked like a pretty cool set, I hadn’t even seen the Andretti rookie with coupons attached. Seemed like a pretty good price, too. I’m a little upset I forgot about it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16602073651...p2047675.l2557

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

I actually got caught in a meeting at work and forgot this auction was ending. Looked like a pretty cool set, I hadn’t even seen the Andretti rookie with coupons attached. Seemed like a pretty good price, too. I’m a little upset I forgot about it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16602073651...p2047675.l2557

Nice looking set. I did not know these were issued in this format.

If legit, it looks like somebody got a great price.

A little part of me though, does have a funny feeling about the legitimacy of the set in this form, and if it might not be contemporary to the original Panini stickers of the same set.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Nice looking set. I did not know these were issued in this format.

If legit, it looks like somebody got a great price.

A little part of me though, does have a funny feeling about the legitimacy of the set in this form, and if it might not be contemporary to the original Panini stickers of the same set.

I didn't see this auction until Scott posted the link, but I am with you. I would not have bid on this because I just don't know enough about the legitimacy. Maybe the set was legit, but there didn't seem to be a lot of people who thought so. The auction started at $1 and only had three different bidders. Even a beat up Andretti rookie sticker by itself would attract more action starting at a dollar.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I didn't see this auction until Scott posted the link, but I am with you. I would not have bid on this because I just don't know enough about the legitimacy. Maybe the set was legit, but there didn't seem to be a lot of people who thought so. The auction started at $1 and only had three different bidders. Even a beat up Andretti rookie sticker by itself would attract more action starting at a dollar.

i don't know either, but those just look too clean and gem mint for my liking.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I didn't see this auction until Scott posted the link, but I am with you. I would not have bid on this because I just don't know enough about the legitimacy. Maybe the set was legit, but there didn't seem to be a lot of people who thought so. The auction started at $1 and only had three different bidders. Even a beat up Andretti rookie sticker by itself would attract more action starting at a dollar.

There's a Perforated one in an SGC holder on Ebay, but it just doesn't look right to me.

Might be a legitimate commemorative or reprint issue from Panini, but I doubt it's from 1969/70.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12549724342...Bk9SR9jvr_zyYQ

[sthoemke]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

There's a Perforated one in an SGC holder on Ebay, but it just doesn't look right to me.

Might be a legitimate commemorative or reprint issue from Panini, but I doubt it's from 1969/70.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12549724342...Bk9SR9jvr_zyYQ

I think the albums had an ad sheet that included 2(?) sample cards.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

There's a Perforated one in an SGC holder on Ebay, but it just doesn't look right to me.

Might be a legitimate commemorative or reprint issue from Panini, but I doubt it's from 1969/70.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12549724342...Bk9SR9jvr_zyYQ

and here's one that PSA Graded. Just weird I've never noticed these until very recently.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12557502456...Cclp%3A2047675

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

and here's one that PSA Graded. Just weird I've never noticed these until very recently.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12557502456...Cclp%3A2047675

PSA didn't even differentiate it lol.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by sthoemke

I think the albums had an ad sheet that included 2(?) sample cards.

Yeah, that's what it looks like according to the text on the tabs. Question is, were they issued in the 69/70 album, or are they commemoratives issued in a more recent album?

[sthoemke]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Yeah, that's what it looks like according to the text on the tabs. Question is, were they issued in the 69/70 album, or are they commemoratives issued in a more recent album?

Issued/inserted in the original albums.

I don't think the reprint sets/albums included something similar.

[sthoemke]

Here's an example

[Bored5000]

This isn't the first time a Prost rookie sticker has been posted in this thread, but here is a recent pick up for me. Prost is destined to be forever "undervalued," given his resume. I picked this up for under $60. That just seems crazy for the rookie sticker of a four-time F1 champion.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

This isn't the first time a Prost rookie sticker has been posted in this thread, but here is a recent pick up for me. Prost is destined to be forever "undervalued," given his resume. I picked this up for under $60. That just seems crazy for a the rookie sticker of a four-time F1 champion.

Nice pick-up. I thought I saw Prost cards finally starting to pick up some steam a little while back, but maybe that was short lasting.

I think F1 cards in general are starting to come back down to earth. The 2009 Top Trumps Hamilton seems to be trading at a fraction of the price it did a year or two ago.

I don't really play around with any of the newer Topps releases outside of the cheaper Match Attax cards, so maybe the newer shinier stuff is still getting lots of interest, but the vintage stuff seems to be definitely on the way back down.