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Old 09-16-2020, 12:14 AM
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Default 1951 Bowman Willie Mays Paper Loss

I bought a '51 Mays and it has paper loss in the top two corners, but especially in the top right. It's visible in my scan bellow, but looked like a fuzzy corner in scan from the sale listing. The back is clean other than a imprint/divot a few centimeters long that looks like maybe someone wrote on a paper forgetting the card was left under it.

I'm curious what you think this card would grade at SGC and PSA? Is it just chipping? Is it insignificant paper loss that looks worse only because of the magnification? Is the paper loss extensive enough to ding it grade-wise?

Any and all thoughts welcome.

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Old 09-16-2020, 02:43 AM
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Certainly no expert, but I have a lot of opinions!

First off, looks like a pretty nice card. The corners appear to be typical wear on a 70 year old card to me(unless I'm missing something). Of course the magnification helps to identify some issues that aren't as noticeable to the naked eye. The centering seems to be decent enough. The main distracting feature for me would be all of those surface scratches over the face area and the print flaw over his name. At least it doesn't have those gnarly print lines a lot of the '51 Bowmans have.

Overall, based on what I can see, I'd call that a 3. I'm certainly no professional grader though. If you get a grader that just had lunch, the weather is nice, home life is going good, maybe it's a 4. Going through a divorce, dog just died...well never mind you'll probably need to do a resubmit

If you truly aren't happy with the card and feel it was misrepresented, nothing wrong with bringing it up to the seller, especially on a card like this. If you put any card under a microscope you'll find issues though, especially 70 year old ones. Just gotta figure out if the price you paid is worth what you're seeing I suppose.
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Old 09-16-2020, 06:31 AM
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That card isn't going to '4'. I think you hit it right on the head with the '3' assessment.
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Old 09-16-2020, 07:50 AM
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Default Solid card

I see nothing Id call paper loss just some corner wear....nicely centered and a well focused image. Its a 3 and unless you want to pay silly money for a better one I think its a keeper!!!
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Old 09-16-2020, 07:50 AM
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Default Nice card

Card s probably Vg but corner wear that results in what you are referring to as paper loss and what people usually are referring to when they say paper loss arent exactly the same thing. This is just considered corner wear. Card appears VG in picture. If what I think of as paper loss were present it would be fair at best.
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:36 AM
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I agree. That is not paper-loss!

This card will grade either a PSA 2.5 or a 3 or a 3.5 or maybe even a 4.

I have a PSA 4 that has TWO creases!

Good luck
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:53 AM
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I am no expert and always guess wrong on my grades but that is a 3 I think. No paper loss just corner wear. If the back looks like the front you are good I think.
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