O/T 2012 Hall of fame. your vote?

[GrayGhost]

This may have been done before. or Leon can move it, but who you guys think will get in next year?

I think it will be Larkin for sure, w Bagwell making strides and Morris around the same pctg.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2012.shtml

[Robextend]

Can we just skip to 2013?

[bbcard1]

As for me, I would take Larkin, Bags and Lee Smith. I honestly think Lee Smith's bland name hurts him...had he been named Rollie Fingers, he would have been in some time ago.

It would not be a travesty for Raines and Morris to get in. They are better than a lot of folks who are already there and had a sustained period of excellence. Raines at least for a year or two was the best player in the game.

Using the "They are somewhere toward the middle if you consider all the players who are already in there" measuring stick, add Trammell, McGriff, Walker...

McGwire and Palmeiro are clearly good enough...but there's THAT problem.

If you were to line up all the Hall of Fame catchers (Bench, Berra, Bresnahan, Campy, Carter, Cochrane, Dickey, Ewing, Ferrell, Fisk, Hartnett, Lopez, Lombardi, Schalk) where would Lopez rank...not saying he's a hall of famer, but he wouldn't be the worst.

Larkin only.

Didn't the US House of Reprehensibles, er Representatives pass a resolution in 1999 to have Joe Jackson's lifetime ban rescinded? At the time I thought Bud Selig said he would reexamine the issue. I have not heard a word since.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Another vote for Larkin only here........

[oldjudge]

Maybe Larkin (marginal), maybe Bernie Williams (also marginal). Would not have a problem if no one got in.

[SteveMitchell]

This system has been applied only to those receiving votes in the 2011 election, and, for a couple of reasons, it has been limited to the top eight vote-getters. Using Baseball-Reference.com's standards (HOFm, HOFs and WAR); awarding 1 point for the best total, 2 for second best, etc.; and then tallying the totals with the man receiving the lowest total ranking first, etc., the results are:

1. Jeff Bagwell .... 3 points (the best possible score)
2. Larry Walker ... 7 points
3. EDGAR MARTINEZ! ... 11 points
4. Barry Larkin ... 12 points
5T. Tim Raines ... 18 points
5T. Alan Trammell ... 18 points
7T. Jack Morris ... 19 points
7T. Lee Smith ... 19 points

Based on last year's results, (and given the clear weakness of the 2012 first-timer class) I think Larkin (and probably Bagwell - if the voters ever get wind of his dominance in these three categories) will get in and Martinez could double his 2011 percentage. Both Morris and Lee are nearing the end of consideration by the Baseball Writers and do not expect to jump much. To be honest, however, I may be a little too hopeful for Martinez. It may take him a decade of consideration to eventually get his Cooperstown bronze.

[sayhey24]

From the Hall of Fame website:

In 2011, the Golden Era Committee will meet for the first time to consider managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players whose most impactful contributions came between 1947 and 1972. In 2012, the Pre-Integration Era Committee will consider candidates whose main career contributions came from 1871-1946. Committees will continue to meet at the Winter Meetings.

I would think the top contenders among players would be Gil Hodges, Ron Santo and Tony Oliva. I'm still amazed that Hodges and Santo aren't in. Hodges was the top first baseman of his time in the NL, helped lead his team to many pennants and a WS title, was a great defensive player, and was the number two man in the 50s for HR and RBI. And then on top of all that, he managed the Miracle Mets to one of the most amazing championships of all time.
It sure is fun debating this stuff!

Greg

[peterose4hof]

As a lifelong Reds fan I am very excited about Barry Larkin's prospects of making the Hall! I think he will be the only one to get voted in by the Sportswriters. I think Ron Santo has been building steam and most likely will get in via the Veterans Committee.

[mr2686]

Of course Santo will get in...now that he's dead.
I say Larkin gets in, Bagwell should get in (take a look at his numbers...why isn't he a slam dunk...and don't say steroids because there's no proof).
I also hope that Gil Hodges finally gets in.

[vintagecpa]

I'm not a huge fan of any player on the list making the HOF. If I had to choose one, Jack Morris would be the one.

[Tao_Moko]

I am as bias as my avatar would suggest, but Santo is long overdue.

I have never loved the Reds because I hated moving to Ohio from Illinois but I have to admit that watching Larkin as many times I did in the late eighties and early nineties made me appreciate his work ethic. I have several dozen signed '87 Topps Larkins because he never turned me down before or after a game and those things were a dime a dozen and would sell for $4 at the card shop I worked in (Pack Rats in Portsmouth, OH) during that timeframe. BUT...........offensively Bagwell has as many hits (2314) in five less years of playing and 250 more homers. Back that up with over 1500 rbi's, .297 avg, and a .408 OBP and I'd say he's got the edge on Larkin.

I think Bagwell and Santo. Let Larkin soak and see how he looks in 2013 against that class.

[kkkkandp]

I agree with both Jay and Steve. I wouldn't be devastated if no one got in, but quite frankly I like Bagwell over Larkin.