Circa 1961 Cin. Reds team photo i.d. help

[Bumpus Jones]

Anyone wanna take a stab at identifying the rest of these fine fellows?


Thanks

[Dto7]

Maybe This might help someone.

Cincinnati Reds Uniform Numbers

[perezfan]

Interesting... that sure appears to be Tony Perez, but there is absolutely no record of him ever wearing the number 17. I checked numerous sources, and came up empty.

Also, Perez' first Major League exposure was in 1964. Same for Bill McCool (who is also identified in the photo). So is there any chance that the team pictured is a Minor League Reds affiliate (and not the Major League Team?)

Eager to hear what team this actually is, if someone here can shed some additional light.

[Wymers Auction]

This would be Class D Geneva, NY.

[Wymers Auction]

Here is the team roster for the Geneva Redlegs
Roger Armstrong 20 R L 5' 11.0" 160 1941
Terrence Baller 21 R R 6' 1.0" 170 1940
Daniel Bartko 19 R R 6' 4.0" 210 1942
John Biancamano 19 R R 6' 2.0" 195 1942
Walter Elam 21 R R 6' 2.0" 220 1940
Ronald Franz 23 R R 6' 1.0" 200 1938
Jimmie Hocutt 20 R R 6' 1.0" 185 1941
John Huber 20 R R 6' 1.0" 195 1941
Joe Hurley 19 R R 6' 0.0" 208 1942
Roberto Iglesias 18 L R 6' 1.0" 188 1943
Raymond Jobes 19 R R 5' 11.0" 200 1942
Namon Johnson 22 R R 6' 2.0" 200 1939
Willie Kern 19 L R 5' 10.0" 160 Dec 19, 1941 Santa Monica, CA, US
Karl Kuehl 23 L L 5' 11.0" 175 Sep 5, 1937 Monterey Park, CA, US
Robert Martin 20 R R 5' 11.0" 140 1941
Kenneth McCain 19 R R 6' 2.0" 190 1942
Robert Metz 18 R R 6' 1.0" 190 May 26, 1943
James Miller 19 L L 6' 0.0" 190 1942
Salvatore Minetta 19 R R 5' 11.0" 170 1942
Bruce Montgomery 21 R R 6' 1.0" 165 1940
Greg Nash 19 R R 5' 9.0" 190 Feb 10, 1942 Los Angeles, CA, US
Calvin Newton 19 R R 5' 10.0" 170 Jan 25, 1942
Daniel Paul 19 R R 6' 2.0" 190 Aug 18, 1941 Derby, CT, US
Tony Perez 19 R R 6' 2.0" 175 May 14, 1942 Camaguey, Camaguey, CU
Stanley Proffett 21 R R 6' 1.0" 175 1940
Steven Reeves 18 L R 5' 11.0" 180 Feb 28, 1943
Doug Ritter 19 L L 6' 3.0" 186 Jan 22, 1942
Richard Rowe 20 L L 5' 10.0" 170 Nov 6, 1940 Los Angeles, CA, US
James Scherer 18 R R 6' 1.0" 180 Jul 23, 1942
Charles Scrivanich 23 L L 5' 10.0" 169 Jun 14, 1938
Jack Simon 23 R R 6' 4.0" 205 1938
Paul Stukus 20 R R 6' 1.0" 180 1941
Michael Thornton 21 L L 6' 3.0" 210 Apr 14, 1940
Cesar Tovar 20 R R 5' 9.0" 155 Jul 3, 1940 Caracas, Distrito Federal, VE

[Wymers Auction]

I do not see an instance where Tommy Harper and Tony Perez played minor league ball together.

[Wymers Auction]

McCool did not seem to play minor league ball

[perezfan]

So wouldn't it more likely be a Spring Training Photo? (since Perez, McCool and Harper are all pictured together)

Probably Spring Training of 1962-3, give or take a year? Apparently it can't be the Geneva Reds or any other Minor League Team...

[Dto7]

I don't think it's Tommy Harper in the photo.. Perez is 6'2" and Harper is 5'9".

[Bumpus Jones]

Good call. I believe #63 is probably Lee May.

[Bumpus Jones]

I was hoping someone would spot "Charley hustle".

[ctownboy]

I don't know what year it is or what is going on but I don't see Frank Robinson...

David

[Bumpus Jones]

Thanks for everyone's contributions.

I believe this photo to possibly be the first photo of Tony Perez in a Reds uniform. The key I think is Harry Anderson. He had a cup of coffee with the Reds in both 60 and 61 but never made it back. This and the fact there wearing unis the Reds starting wearing in 1961 and through the mid-60's. As your probably aware, it was common practice to wear uniforms from the previous season during spring training. Most likely this photo was taken during spring training 1962 or possibly 61. I'm just trying to identify the rest of what I believe are non-roster invitees.

[ctownboy]

Why don't you send an e mail to the Cincinnati Reds museum and see if they can help you out?

David

[nolemmings]

seems the earliest this could be was 1963, as Baseball Reference says 20-year old Bill McCool was first signed before the 1963 season. Harry Anderson, if that is him, was coming off a fairly decent 1962 AAA season in San Diego, and may have been invited to Spring Training by the Reds in '63. Since he never played professionally after 1962, perhaps the 31-year old gave it up if/after he was released by the Reds.

[perezfan]

Yes... agree. I also think Spring 1963 is the best bet for this photo.

[Bumpus Jones]

I believe your both right. That probably explains the absense of Pete Rose as well...

[rose109]

Agree with McCool, Perez and May. Coach Jim Turner ?? ( 2nd from left
first row ). Art Shamsky ?? ( on left side of 2nd row ). I feel pretty sure
about Turner. Could go either way on Shamsky .

[Bumpus Jones]

I believe this to be the companion piece / photo to mine. Thoughts???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-CINCINN...item25759d6802