1980-present variations

[Deadman31]

I’ve had this silver variation for almost 30 years. I’ve never found an explanation and only other one I ever saw was just a common.

[Tripredacus]

It would be the same for any foil stamping that is the wrong color. The prevalent theory is that the foil was put on backwards, that it is only gold on one side of the foil and is silver on the other.

Similar situation in 1993 Topps Gold but in addition to gold and silver (silver seems quite rare) there are bronze or dark gold foil stampings on those.

Ken Griffey Jr blood stain? about the side of the shin My card is the only one so far with a spot that I have seen

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by rgpete

Ken Griffey Jr blood stain? about the side of the shin My card is the only one so far with a spot that I have seen

Looks like a stray print blemish. Doubt it was on the plate and fixed.

Here is a close up without the spot sorry for the bad scan

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Tripredacus

It would be the same for any foil stamping that is the wrong color. The prevalent theory is that the foil was put on backwards, that it is only gold on one side of the foil and is silver on the other.

Similar situation in 1993 Topps Gold but in addition to gold and silver (silver seems quite rare) there are bronze or dark gold foil stampings on those.

The raw foil has a backing to make it more durable, and to pull away the center areas. So running it upside down isn't a thing.

It's most likely that the color of the foil wasn't consistent.

[Deadman31]

So would this variation I have been considered rare or more of just a mistake?

[ALR-bishop]

Since there is no official hobby definition of what constitutes a "true" variation, I think you might get differing views. I would tend to view it as a print defect. But many people collect them , me included, if they are recurring. Some would say a true variation must involve an intentional change in the card by the manufacturer. But many long recognized hobby variations are clearly unintended recurring print defects. And in many cases I think it is virtually impossible to know for sure if a defect found on a card was "discovered" and corrected or just popped up accidentally on some sheets

But even a recurring print defect on a super star's card might be of interest to people who collect that player

[toppcat]

Thought I'd post these, just happened to notice them going through my sets. 1978 Blue Chili Pepper Gomez and 1979 Redfern Red Neatline Extensions.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Thought I'd post these, just happened to notice them going through my sets. 1978 Blue Chili Pepper Gomez and 1979 Redfern Red Neatline Extensions.

Glenn Adams was above Redfern on the E* sheet. You have these in the wrong forum .

[swarmee]

1992 Topps 301 Kirk McCaskill with recurring corona near right ear.

I bought the two lots of 1992 Jumbo packs (60 total) from the Saco River auction last week and opened a few. The rest are going in my antique mall booth in Destin. But noticed that all three of the McCaskill cards I got had this print defect. Some of the other cards had errant vertical magenta or cyan lines, but not significant enough to report.

Did notice something interesting about the set info from baseballcardpedia:

There were a number of uncorrected errors in the Gold set. Mark Davidson's name was accidently foil-stamped onto Steve Finley's card (#86). Andujar Cedeno (#288) is listed as a member of the New York Yankees. Mike Huff (#532) is listed as a member of the Boston Red Sox. Barry Larkin (#465) is listed as a member of the Houston Astros but is correctly listed as a member of the Cincinnati Reds on his Gold Winners cards. (See below)

The six checklist cards were replaced with six players who do not appear in the base set.

131 Terry Mathews
264 Rod Beck
366 Tony Perezchica
527 Terry McDaniel
658 John Ramos
787 Brian Williams

Checked the cards on COMC and the Larkin Winners can be found with either Reds or Astros on the gold foil. So there must have been multiple Winners runs.

But based on the bonus (replacement for checklist) cards in the ToppsGold set, you'd probably want to include them in your 1992 Topps set for completeness.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by swarmee

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Checked the cards on COMC and the Larkin Winners can be found with either Reds or Astros on the gold foil. So there must have been multiple Winners runs.

There were at least two separate runs. I no longer have my master list available but before losing that computer, I had sold two complete master sets of 1992 Topps Gold Winners and they check in well over 1000 cards.

Since that time I have casually purchased lots and attempted another build.

There are sheet code variations (C* vs. F* for example), ToppsGold watermark placement variations, ToppsGold watermark size variations, plus several various ERR/COR variation subjects.

And while I do not count them among the master set, there are silver foil variations (sold my Nolan Ryan way too cheap several years ago).

[ALR-bishop]

https://baseballcardvariationsguideb...ome-1992-topp/

[savedfrommyspokes]

Going through some 80's stuff and found these....the 84 Fleer Beard card and the 85 Fleer Stewart are recurring, however, I was not able to locate another copy of the 86 T Thon, anyone else have one?

[Tripredacus]

1981 Topps Astros Future Stars with some weird marking on Danny Heep's name.


While it looks like it is something written on, it is printed and there is no indent.


1981 Fleer Tim Flannery with reverse and corrected photo


And more modern, 2000 Opening Day Cal Ripken Jr with a foil printing error. A type of printing error I have only seen on this card.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by Tripredacus

1981 Topps Astros Future Stars with some weird marking on Danny Heep's name.


While it looks like it is something written on, it is printed and there is no indent.


1981 Fleer Tim Flannery with reverse and corrected photo


And more modern, 2000 Opening Day Cal Ripken Jr with a foil printing error. A type of printing error I have only seen on this card.

Ton of 81s can be found with partial black border missing including Astros Future Stars.


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[insidethewrapper]

I don't know if this is old news but as I was sorting thru some 1984 Donruss cards I noticed this card came in 5 variations. They are all "Steel" backs.
1) No marks at top, 2) "L" shaped lines at top right corner, 3) Line at both top corners, 4) line at right top corner only , 5) Line at left top corner only. Various sizes of the lines are visable, based on the sheet cut at the factory.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I don't know if this is old news but as I was sorting thru some 1984 Donruss cards I noticed this card came in 5 variations. They are all "Steel" backs.
1) No marks at top, 2) "L" shaped lines at top right corner, 3) Line at both top corners, 4) line at right top corner only , 5) Line at left top corner only. Various sizes of the lines are visable, based on the sheet cut at the factory.

These aren’t variations, they are guides for cutting the cards from sheets. This is why you only see them on severe top to bottom miscuts.

[ALR-bishop]

But do make some cards more interesting

[steve B]

I'd still count them. They're intentional marks put on the plate, and are different on different plates or different positions on the same plate.

And now I have to go look for them....sort of.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by steve B

I'd still count them. They're intentional marks put on the plate, and are different on different plates or different positions on the same plate.

And now I have to go look for them....sort of.

I really wanted this to be true but I’m not seeing what you are.

The lines are only visible due to a top to bottom miscut weighed heavily to the top. There aren’t any examples with the lines visible on a normally cut card with 50/50 centering.

Am I missing something?

[ALR-bishop]

Kaline and Banks in the 1960 set can be found with such marks, and the Banks can be found with varying degrees of a printers notation of Section I in the bottom border. Scans can be found in the never ever ending variations thread .

Different people have different concepts or definitions of what should or should not be deemed a variation,but there is no hobby standard or official definition. To each their own.

[swarmee]

1992 Topps - [Base] - Missing Foil #621 - Dan Gakeler [Misprint]
Courtesy of COMC.com

This one is pretty cool. Topps Gold 1992 card with no foil on front. What's interesting about it, is that since it's Topps Gold and not the regular set, there is no player/team box on the front. I just assumed that the gold foil was covering the player name/team boxes on the front. But they actually designed them without any.

[Hellwig]

Found this the other day looking thru a stack kinda neat.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

I really wanted this to be true but I’m not seeing what you are.

The lines are only visible due to a top to bottom miscut weighed heavily to the top. There aren’t any examples with the lines visible on a normally cut card with 50/50 centering.

Am I missing something?

I think what he is saying is that depending on the sheet that the card is printed on you could have the same type of miscuts and completely different cut guide markers. For instance, in 1970 topps many of the cards can be found with cut lines at the top of the card and even though they are technically miscut, you can find the same card with a white cut line or a black cut line depending on the sheet it was printed on.




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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Hellwig

Found this the other day looking thru a stack kinda neat.

Cool printing error.

[4reals]

1981 common box “finds”

Poquette reoccurring red diagonal line



Jeff Cox single and double border break





Sakata reoccurring extra vertical border line












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[Deertick]

Originally Posted by tschock

I love these 1997 Leaf cards. The cards were stamped as you can see the indentation, but the foil was not applied.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6tqSHI.jpg

I have at least 69 without the foil stamping of the name. You can see where the die came down on some, but not on others. So some were attempted but they must have run out of the foil, an others not attempted at all. All are different players, and the only one I was able to find referenced on the interweb is unique also. All cards are from Series 1. Not sure if it matters, but cards run from #13 to #214.

[Jcfowler6]

Was plowing thru a bunch of junk wax and found this guy. Missing “Twins” and “Topps”.


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[ALR-bishop]

Good one Jon

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Jcfowler6

Was plowing thru a bunch of junk wax and found this guy. Missing “Twins” and “Topps”.

Fantastic find. Harper was on the right edge of the 1990 Topps B sheet of the 6th row, the Brantley above him and the Cochrane to his left should have also been affected to some degree.

[West]

Sweet error!

[richtree]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Fantastic find. Harper was on the right edge of the 1990 Topps B sheet of the 6th row, the Brantley above him and the Cochrane to his left should have also been affected to some degree.

Interested if u wanna move this one...

Rt

[4reals]

1982 Topps Stolen Base Leaders #164, ink bleed on back





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[saucywombat]

I have discovered a "gold" streak variation for 4 different gold refractors from Series 2 of 1996 Finest.

Gold bar goes top to bottom in the same spot and with same width on all 4 cards.

[Bigdaddy]

You guys are nuts. I'm serious.

Do your wife/girlfriends know about this sickness?

[wpeters]

I have had these since 1986 when I was opening packs. Two of them a=have a very noticeable gray cast to them. The backs are the same as regular 1986s. Has anyone ever seen this before?

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

You guys are nuts. I'm serious.

Do your wife/girlfriends know about this sickness?

Tom— fortunately it has not gone airborne and so far seems not to be transferred by contact

[mrmopar]

Pretty sure I have seen that in the past as well. I thought the cards looked like they has oil spilled on them, if I recall my thoughts at the time.

Originally Posted by wpeters

I have had these since 1986 when I was opening packs. Two of them a=have a very noticeable gray cast to them. The backs are the same as regular 1986s. Has anyone ever seen this before?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

You guys are nuts. I'm serious.

Do your wife/girlfriends know about this sickness?

Variation hunting is a don’t ask, don’t tell thing. Girlfriends know I’m a dork but I don’t tell them about it. If I did tell them, I probably wouldn’t ever have a girlfriend

[philliesfan]

Not sure if this was posted before but I just found this James Silas name in Black and name in Purple....spelled JAMS not James at my friends card shop.
1980 J Silas Name in BLK and PURP.jpg

[Republicaninmass]

Lobster bib!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

This is one of my favorite types of print flaw error cards, and what is cool about this one is the final black ink run wasn't affected by whatever blocked the rest of the printing process, it adhered with no problem.

Lobster bib variation

[philliesfan]

Don't know if this would qualify in terms as a variation but check out my Nolan Ryan miscut.
Bob
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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

Don't know if this would qualify in terms as a variation but check out my Nolan Ryan miscut.
Bob
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Nice card for many reasons, I like oddball cards like that.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

Don't know if this would qualify in terms as a variation but check out my Nolan Ryan miscut.
Bob
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As stated above, very nice card and for several reasons!

[ALR-bishop]

I bet that it being a Nolan Ryan card is one of the reasons

Maybe that weird stuff on the back might be another ?

Cool card

[philliesfan]

Thanks. For the most part centered on the front and way off on the reverse makes it interesting. Got it in a pack in 1985. No others in the box though.

[jacksoncoupage]

I have never seen an individually dated sheet like that. Maybe it is due to never seeing that piece of the sheet's edge and they all come that way but it certainly sticks out as special to me!

[philliesfan]

Gee. With several people thinking highly of the Ryan card, maybe I should list it on auction..........maybe it could pay for my son's next semester at Temple University. haha I wish!
Bob