1969 Topps Information/Images Needed

[deweyinthehall]

The further back I go, the more I need/the more is hard to come by:

1) I have wrappers with the following side ads; would appreciate images of any others:

Plain:

Chemical Set
Magic Magnet Set
Umpire Clicker
Whale tooth charm

Deckle Edge:

Chemical Set
Umpire Clicker

Rub Off:

Rub Off instructions

Any information or images of any of these items (chem set, charm, Magnets, clicker) would also be appreciated

2) Each wrapper and it's associated box has a unique code - I have a case with the 401 code that corresponds to the plain wrappers/boxes - any other case information is needed

3) any images or information on cello cases or boxes

4) any images or information on Blue large cellos boxes or cases

5) Rack box/case information or images

6) Vending box/case images

7) Grocery case/box information or images.

8) Somewhere I have that deckles were in series 3 and rub offs in series 4 - is this correct?

9) Sheet images - I HAVE images of the following:

Series 1A (Brock Upper left)
Series 2A (Yaz)
Series 2B (McDaniel)
Series 4A (McCovey AS)
Series 5A (Flood AS/has Mantle card superimposed)
Series 5B (Pizarro)
Series 7? (Ellsworth - Frankenstein mock up)

All others needed



Codes have/need:


Wax Case (plain): 401
Wax Case (deckle): ?
Wax Case (rub off): ?
Wax Box (plain): 1-401-37-01-9
Wax Box (deckle): 1-426-37-01-9
Wax Box (rub off): ?
Wax Pack (plain): 0-401-87-01-9
Wax Pack (Deckle): 0-426-87-01-9
Wax Pack (rub off): 0-405-87-01-9

Cello Case: ?
Cello Box: ?
Cello Pack: ? (where would it be - wrappers are just plain cello)

Rack Case: ?
Rack Box: ?
Rack Pack: 1-081-93-03-7

Grocery Case: ?
Grocery Box: ?
Grocery Pack: ?

Vending Case: ?
Vending Box: ?

Blue Cello Case: ?
Blue Cello Box: ?
Blue Cello Pack: 0-309-51-01-9

[jmoran19]

Will see if I have other sheets this weekend. Lots of info on the blue cellos here

http://www.thetoppsarchives.com/sear...pps%20Baseball

Johny

[deweyinthehall]

Good information all around.

Some questions:

So, for the blue cellos we have boxes showing the rub offs and the deckles, but not plain so far? For the wrappers, we have plain but no deckles or rub offs, so far? And we have a wrapper with a magnet set advertised, but nothing else - so far?

On the box shown to be a regular cello box (the red one with the 1967 date) - the article states it has a 401 prefix, and it appears like it might - but why would it if wax (at least some wax) had 401, and we know the blue cellos had 301, etc.? Wouldn't - shouldn't? - the cello box carry a different prefix?

The plain cellos held 10 cards, but no gum, yes?

As to the grocery packs - the article says it has a code of 1-401-30-01-8, which you can barely make out on the cardboard tray, but the plastic over wrap clearly shows a code of 0-491-53-01-7. So while the tray appears to be a relic from 1968, the plastic comes from 1967? It might make more sense given, again, that some of the basic wax packs had a 401 prefix and in all other years I'm aware of the grocery packs carried a different prefix than basic wax.

I know the Keeper O' The Archives is around here somewhere...

[jmoran19]

Some of My 69 packs

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

9) Sheet images - I HAVE images of the following:

Series 1A (Brock Upper left)
Series 2A (Yaz)
Series 2B (McDaniel)
Series 4A (McCovey AS)
Series 5A (Flood AS/has Mantle card superimposed)
Series 5B (Pizarro)
Series 7? (Ellsworth - Frankenstein mock up)

All others needed

Unfortunately I’m still six cards short of finishing the 3rd Series sheet and all of them are 2x’s, Davalillo, Elia, Hendricks, King, Shirley, and Sutherland. I believe I have all of 3x’s placed correctly.

[deweyinthehall]

Regarding the issues between Topps and the players - is this why no team cards appear in the set as well? Is there a good synopsis of that particular issue someplace?

[jmoran19]

69 series 5 w/o impossed mantle

[jmoran19]

series 6 sheets I have

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Regarding the issues between Topps and the players - is this why no team cards appear in the set as well? Is there a good synopsis of that particular issue someplace?

I'm not sure that's ever been fully explained as it certainly seems the team cards came from each club. Could have been an Owners beef between Topps and MLBPC or whatever its predecessor was called.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Regarding the issues between Topps and the players - is this why no team cards appear in the set as well? Is there a good synopsis of that particular issue someplace?

Topps seemed to lose interest in team cards the previous year, omitting 7 of 20 team photos. Add to that the fact that there were four new expansion teams in 1969 that likely would not have readily available photos (plus Topps had left out expansion team cards in the past) and some problems with getting permission to use the Astros name and you have a situation where Topps may have thought they were going to be incomplete anyway so why be arbitrary like '68 and instead took the team cards out of the set altogether.

[Kevvyg1026]

Cliff andI recreated both 7th series slits. The Ellsworth mock up slit went:

Row Leading Card
1 Dick Ellsworth
2 Mike Hershberger
3 Gus Gil
4 Al Jackson
5 Cubs RS
6 Phil Gagliano
7 Ruben Amaro
8 Dick Ellsworth
9 Mike Hershberger
10 Gus Gil
11 Al Jackson
12 Cubs RS


The other slit goes like:

Row Leading Card
1 Cubs RS
2 Phil Gagliano
3 Ruben Amaro
4 Gus Gil
5 Al Jackson
6 Cubs RS
7 Phil Gagliano
8 Ruben Amaro
9 Dick Ellsworth
10 Mike Hershberger
11 Gus Gil
12 Al Jackson

[Kevvyg1026]

The 4th series slit is a 99 card series and should have 6 rows printed 3x with 3 rows printed 2x. The slit image of which I am aware has the McCovey AS card at top left and the various lead cards are:

Row Leading Card
1 McCovey AS
2 B Robinson AS
3 Ray Washburn
4 Bubba Morton
5 Tito Francona
6 Ray Culp
7 Sal Bando
8 Wayne Comer
9 Ed Kranepool
10 McCovey AS
11 B Robinson AS
12 Ray Washburn

Although I haven't seen the 2nd slit, there are a sufficient number of miscuts and wrong backs that I believe the 2nd slit goes like:

Row Leading Card
1 Ray Culp
2 Sal Bando
3 Wayne Comer
4 Ed Kranepool
5 McCovey AS
6 B Robinson AS
7 Ray Washburn
8 Bubba Morton
9 Tito Francona
10 Ray Culp
11 Sal Bando
12 Wayne Comer

[Cliff Bowman]

I was able to place Lee Elia and Clyde King from these miscuts the last couple of days, I am down to four cards to finish the 1969 3rd Series 110 card sheet, Vic Davalillo, Elrod Hendricks, Bart Shirley, and Gary Sutherland.

[deweyinthehall]

Page is live -

https://mrpekrul.wixsite.com/narcissism/1969

Question - found this sell sheet at TCDB. It notes that the racks came 48 per case and makes no mention of a display box. Did the case of 48 come with the sort of store display rack shown in the image? 48 would yield 3 even displays of 16 per holder.

[Cliff Bowman]

The Salmon row and the NL Home Run Leaders row are obviously the other two 3x rows on the B slit going by eBay quantities but I don't know the layout of that slit, I couldn't find any useful miscuts. There are miscut Chico Salmon cards that have SLIT B on the left side so I believe the Salmon row and the NL Home Run Leaders row are the two bottom rows on the B slit.

[Kevvyg1026]

There is a mc of Horace Carke, showing he is above Chico Salmon on the 2nd slit.

1969_Clarke_Salmon.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

Here is a 1969 Topps Ernie Banks on the bottom row of the B Slit. That places the Salmon row and the NL Home Run Leaders row in the 11 and 12 slots of the B Slit. They could have just switched the bottom two rows of each Slit and it would have worked but I would be very surprised if it's that simple.

[deweyinthehall]

Is anyone ready to call the order of the 12 rows on this other slit? I am going back through my 1969 page and will jump on the chance to fill in a missing slit with another Frankenslit (I still owe Cliff one from the 1969 3rd series - look for it before the end of the weekend).

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Is anyone ready to call the order of the 12 rows on this other slit? I am going back through my 1969 page and will jump on the chance to fill in a missing slit with another Frankenslit (I still owe Cliff one from the 1969 3rd series - look for it before the end of the weekend).

The only way to disprove it is to come up with a miscut that says otherwise, but I just can't believe Topps would be that simplistic on the two 1969 1st Series slits when they were switching rows all over the place on all other non 88 card Series in that era.

[Kevvyg1026]

It would seem that the last three rows should be Clarke, Salmon, NL HR leaders. The other miscuts I have seen from this series don't show row shifts. So, we will have to determine which row is at the top of slit B in order to make an educated guess at the pattern.

[deweyinthehall]

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[Cliff Bowman]

I would be fine with going with the theory that both Slits are the same other than the bottom two rows being different on each Slit, I haven't seen any evidence that says otherwise and we can always change it if contrary evidence does show up.

[Kevvyg1026]

found this

1969_109_top_line.jpg

[deweyinthehall]

Series 3 slit A -

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Series 3 slit A -

Looks great! This is the most difficult series that Kevin and I have completed so far, mainly because it is 110 different cards. The Harrelson, Hunter, Ricketts, and Cottier rows are the four 3x rows, the other Slit goes: ETA I missed the Willis row.

Harrelson
Hunter
Willis
May
Ricketts
Cottier
Jarvis
Kekich
Harrelson
Hunter
Schultz
Weis

[deweyinthehall]

Here you go...

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Here you go...

Whoops, I messed up , I left out one row, it goes:

Harrelson
Hunter
Willis
May
Ricketts
Cottier
Jarvis
Kekich
Harrelson
Hunter
Schultz
Weis

[deweyinthehall]

Ack! I can't believe I didn't catch that - here's the good one:

[deweyinthehall]

The other series 4 slit, as indicated by Kevvy's earlier post.

Of all the series in all the sets I've posted on at my site, the 1969 series 4 is the only one with short-prints, defined as such by my admittedly minority-view definition - a short print is any card printed in lesser quantities than the majority of cards in its series.

Pretty sure that only a 99 card series would result in such short prints.

On full sheets:

66 cards - each printed 4 times (full sheet)
77 cards - 44 printed 3 times, 33 printed 4 times (over)
88 cards - each printed 3 times
99 cards - 66 printed 3 times, 33 printed twice (short)
110 cards - 66 printed 2 times, 44 printed 3 times (over)

The 1967 7th series has that 'error' with the Pinson row, I think, printed 5 times, the Red Sox rookies row printed 4 times, and all others printed 3 times.