1980-present variations

[butchie_t]

I would be remiss if I did not share my list so here it is. This comes from my Excel Spreadsheet. So it runs together a bit. Consider each card listed with two descriptions of the variation to that card number.

With the exception of 695 Davis "E R Break - Recent Major League Performance" which I have never seen, I have everything on this list.

1990 Donruss Baseball Variations UPDATED: 6/20

3 Sierra No Small Line Top Back Border Small Line Top Back Border
10 Downing Normal Photo Reverse Photo
18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner
33 Gonzalez Normal Photo Reverse Photo
100 Checklist #1 - #129 #1 - #125
113 Gruber Feb 22 Birthdate - Back Feb 26 Birthdate - Back
154 Orosco Black Line under 'r' in Orosco Black Line behind 'r' in Orosco
168 Murphy "D" is White - Front Half line through "D" - Front
170 McCaskill Apr 19 Birthdate - Back Apr 9 Birthdate - Back
200 Checklist #130 - #231 #126 - #223
206 Bell "G" Open Bottom Loop - Front "G" Filled Bottom Loop - Front
217 Garrelts Oct 20 Birthdate Oct 30 Birthdate - Back
233 Davis "E" and "r" Joined - Front "E" and "r" Broken - Front
270 Jefferies Open "G" & "J" Loop - Front "G" and "J" Loop Closed - Front
300 Checklist #232 - #333 #224 - #321
321 Hamilton Solid Top Line - Front Top Line Break 1/16 From Right - Front
347 Roberts Line Breaks "B"ip - Front "B"ip is solid white - Front
365 Griffey Jr. No Red Dot on Cap - Front Red Dot on Cap (All over him) - Front
368 Gibson May 25 Birthdate - Back May 28 Birthdate - Back
400 Checklist #334 - #435 #322 - #419
405 Valdez "S" is all White - Front Broken Line Through "S" - Front
408 Innis Mostly Red Scratch Upper Right - Front Scratch more White Upper Right - Front
425 Wells Maple Leaf Touches Bottom Border - Front Gap between Maple Leaf and Bottom Border - Front
500 Checklist #436 - #537 #420 - #517
523 Nezelek Born in 1985 Born in 1965
583 Hickey "K" Is White - Front "K" Has Line Through It - Front
585 Pico Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
600 Checklist #538 - #639 #518 - #617
619 Hillegas Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
637 Steinback All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
637 Steinback Black 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - RMLP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thinner in name Front - ASGP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thicker in name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black Lines thinner in name Front - RMLP Back
639 Morris All White "J" - Front Line Through "J" - Front
650 Jackson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
654 Johnson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
659 Ryan #659 Card Back #665 Card Back
660 Baines No Star Line Front - All Star Back No Star Line Front - Recent Back
660 Baines Line Through Star - All Star Back Line Through Star - Recent Back
663 Reuschel All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
665 Ryan K of K #665 Card Back No Card Number on Back #659 Card Back
673 Sierra All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
674 Guerrero All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
676 Ripken All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
683 Puckett All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
692 Sandberg All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - All Star Game Performance E R Break - All Star Game Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - Recent Major League Performance E R Break - Recent Major League Performance
697 McGwire All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
699 Canale "G" All White - Front Line Through Right "G" Loop - Front
700 Checklist #640 - #BC26 Includes #716 No #716 #618 - #716
701 Franco All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance AS Partial 19 in "1989" - Back AS Whole 19 in "1989" - Back
703 Stewart All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
705 Gwynn All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
707 Clark All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
708 Santiago All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
710 Smith All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
712 Boggs All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
715 Mitchell All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
716 Giamatti Black Lines on Back No Black Lines on Back
BC-12 Smoltz John Smoltz Photo - Front Tom Glavine Photo - Front


1990 Donruss GRAND SLAMMERS
1 Williams With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
2 Leonard With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
3 James With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
4 McGwire With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
5 Evans With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
6 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
7 Sciocia With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
8 Benzinger With Black Lines on Back - Yellow Star in All Star - Front Without Black Lines on Back With Red Star in All-Star - Front
9 McGriff With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
10 Bass With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
11 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
12 Jackson With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back


Yastzremski Puzzle Pieces
1,2,3 With Period Without Period
4,5,6 With Period Without Period
7,8,9 With Period Without Period
10,11,12 With Period Without Period
13,14,15 With Period Without Period
16,17,18 With Period Without Period
19,20,21 With Period Without Period
22,23,24 With Period Without Period
25,26,27 With Period Without Period
28,29,30 With Period Without Period
31,32,33 With Period Without Period
34,35,36 With Period Without Period
37,38,39 With Period Without Period
40,41,42 With Period Without Period
43,44,45 With Period Without Period | With Period in front of 43 only
46,47,48 With Period Without Period
49,50,51 With Period Without Period
52,53,54 With Period Without Period
55,56,57 With Period Without Period
58,59,60 With Period Without Period

[t206wagner]

I found this card looking through my cards this afternoon. The line on the left changes from orange to red and the ink seems smeared in multiple places. Also the words Topps and Jim Palmer should be in orange and not red. Though it was interesting.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by t206wagner

I found this card looking through my cards this afternoon. The line on the left changes from orange to red and the ink seems smeared in multiple places. Also the words Topps and Jim Palmer should be in orange and not red. Though it was interesting.

Ink bleeds......I like'em!

[zogar]

The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

There is a break in line variation where there is a break in the black line just to the right of the yellow star.

Also there are 2 different placements of the yellow star on this card - the normal printing has the top point of the star pointing to between the N and R in Donruss and the variation (which I think comes from factory sets but not sure) has the star farther to the right and the top point of the star points to between the R and U in Donruss.

As far as I know these front variations only occur on cards with the corrected backs. I've seen plenty of copies of each so I don't think these are particularly rare.

Pictured are the break in the line (left) and the star moved farther over (right).

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by zogar

The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

There is a break in line variation where there is a break in the black line just to the right of the yellow star.

Also there are 2 different placements of the yellow star on this card - the normal printing has the top point of the star pointing to between the N and R in Donruss and the variation (which I think comes from factory sets but not sure) has the star farther to the right and the top point of the star points to between the R and U in Donruss.

As far as I know these front variations only occur on cards with the corrected backs. I've seen plenty of copies of each so I don't think these are particularly rare.

Pictured are the break in the line (left) and the star moved farther over (right).

Interesting. I never noticed those. Are they unnumbered? From what I understand, all of the Ryans are unnumbered in factory sets. Actually, that could just be the King of Kings card.

Arthur

[zogar]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

Interesting. I never noticed those. Are they unnumbered? From what I understand, all of the Ryans are unnumbered in factory sets. Actually, that could just be the King of Kings card.

Arthur

I think it is just the King of Kings card that is unnumbered, the variations I posted have numbers on the back. I don't remember exactly why I came to the belief that the star placement variation came from factory sets so that could be wrong.

Thank you and butchie_t for your lists of 1990 Donruss variations. It was the first set that got me into errors as a kid. My father took me to a card show where dealers were asking around $20 for the Harold Baines line through star variation and since rookie and star player cards were a couple of dollars at most my kid brain was like "Woah! I want the errors!".

I remember going to a local card store a month or so later and they had 1990 Donruss boxes that they called "4th printing" which they said only contained the Juan Gonzalez error. I have heard some people claim there were somewhere around 12 printings or more in total but no idea if that is correct.

I've always hoped there would end up being a couple that were truly rare/hard to find but I guess that is probably a long shot at this point.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by zogar

I think it is just the King of Kings card that is unnumbered, the variations I posted have numbers on the back. I don't remember exactly why I came to the belief that the star placement variation came from factory sets so that could be wrong.

Thank you and butchie_t for your lists of 1990 Donruss variations. It was the first set that got me into errors as a kid. My father took me to a card show where dealers were asking around $20 for the Harold Baines line through star variation and since rookie and star player cards were a couple of dollars at most my kid brain was like "Woah! I want the errors!".

I remember going to a local card store a month or so later and they had 1990 Donruss boxes that they called "4th printing" which they said only contained the Juan Gonzalez error. I have heard some people claim there were somewhere around 12 printings or more in total but no idea if that is correct.

I've always hoped there would end up being a couple that were truly rare/hard to find but I guess that is probably a long shot at this point.

I keep track of the case codes whenever I rip a case and then enter everything into a spreadsheet to see the chronology of the E&Vs. I've got nine different dates covered so far (all "error cases") and three more to rip and sort. Each of the nine dates I've sorted have had a unique checklist of what is and what isn't available, even if it's just a few cards that change status from the previous date.

I don't know what the first distribution date is and I'm not sure how anyone else would know either but someone would have to do what I'm doing except on a much larger scale in order to number "printings." The Gonzalez should not be considered difficult if you have an error box. But like all the '90 Donruss cards from the early printings, finding a gem mint copy is basically the plo of the next Indiana Jones movie.

Out of all the cases I've ripped, I've only pulled mint copies of the Juan RevNeg.

Arthur

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

I keep track of the case codes whenever I rip a case and then enter everything into a spreadsheet to see the chronology of the E&Vs. I've got nine different dates covered so far (all "error cases") and three more to rip and sort. Each of the nine dates I've sorted have had a unique checklist of what is and what isn't available, even if it's just a few cards that change status from the previous date.

I don't know what the first distribution date is and I'm not sure how anyone else would know either but someone would have to do what I'm doing except on a much larger scale in order to number "printings." The Gonzalez should not be considered difficult if you have an error box. But like all the '90 Donruss cards from the early printings, finding a gem mint copy is basically the plo of the next Indiana Jones movie.

Out of all the cases I've ripped, I've only pulled mint copies of the Juan RevNeg.

Arthur

There is a case on eBay now, M9335C. I am foggy on my number but I believe it was lower than this one.

B. T.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

There is a case on eBay now, M9335C. I am foggy on my number but I believe it was lower than this one.

B. T.

I've opened a case earlier than the one on eBay and there's no real advantage to paying the price for that case.

Arthur

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by zogar

The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

There is a break in line variation where there is a break in the black line just to the right of the yellow star.

Also there are 2 different placements of the yellow star on this card - the normal printing has the top point of the star pointing to between the N and R in Donruss and the variation (which I think comes from factory sets but not sure) has the star farther to the right and the top point of the star points to between the R and U in Donruss.

As far as I know these front variations only occur on cards with the corrected backs. I've seen plenty of copies of each so I don't think these are particularly rare.

Pictured are the break in the line (left) and the star moved farther over (right).

The card on the right is definitely the factory set version. You can see the position placement is different and it has those tell-tale semi "rounded" corners that Donruss factory set cards have.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by zogar

The 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #659 5000 Strikeouts card has a couple of variations that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

I don't collect those cards, but there's a drastic difference in the background 'splatter dot' patterns as well, with completely different layouts on each of the two cards shown. Unless those types of differences are found throughout the cards in the set, then it becomes a quick and easy telltale sign to distinguish between the different versions.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Does anyone have the image someone created that shows all of the possible backs for '89 Donruss? I know it's combinations of *Denotes*, spaces in the bio, and glow under blue light effect but I have no idea what I did with that image. If anyone as it I'd really appreciate it if you could post it here. Thanks!

Arthur

[butchie_t]

Best to checkout Trading Card DataBase. They seem to have a detailed documentation of all things Donruss 90's variations. Not to mention that would be a separate thread than this one. It needs a thread all of its own.

[jacksoncoupage]

Just found out this existed. I can't imagine there are too many of them out there.


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[Pat R]

I don't know if this is actually a variation or just a one-off but I found this Jack Morris interesting while going through my 91 Topps.

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[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I would be remiss if I did not share my list so here it is. This comes from my Excel Spreadsheet. So it runs together a bit. Consider each card listed with two descriptions of the variation to that card number.

With the exception of 695 Davis "E R Break - Recent Major League Performance" which I have never seen, I have everything on this list.

1990 Donruss Baseball Variations UPDATED: 6/20

3 Sierra No Small Line Top Back Border Small Line Top Back Border
10 Downing Normal Photo Reverse Photo
18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner
33 Gonzalez Normal Photo Reverse Photo
100 Checklist #1 - #129 #1 - #125
113 Gruber Feb 22 Birthdate - Back Feb 26 Birthdate - Back
154 Orosco Black Line under 'r' in Orosco Black Line behind 'r' in Orosco
168 Murphy "D" is White - Front Half line through "D" - Front
170 McCaskill Apr 19 Birthdate - Back Apr 9 Birthdate - Back
200 Checklist #130 - #231 #126 - #223
206 Bell "G" Open Bottom Loop - Front "G" Filled Bottom Loop - Front
217 Garrelts Oct 20 Birthdate Oct 30 Birthdate - Back
233 Davis "E" and "r" Joined - Front "E" and "r" Broken - Front
270 Jefferies Open "G" & "J" Loop - Front "G" and "J" Loop Closed - Front
300 Checklist #232 - #333 #224 - #321
321 Hamilton Solid Top Line - Front Top Line Break 1/16 From Right - Front
347 Roberts Line Breaks "B"ip - Front "B"ip is solid white - Front
365 Griffey Jr. No Red Dot on Cap - Front Red Dot on Cap (All over him) - Front
368 Gibson May 25 Birthdate - Back May 28 Birthdate - Back
400 Checklist #334 - #435 #322 - #419
405 Valdez "S" is all White - Front Broken Line Through "S" - Front
408 Innis Mostly Red Scratch Upper Right - Front Scratch more White Upper Right - Front
425 Wells Maple Leaf Touches Bottom Border - Front Gap between Maple Leaf and Bottom Border - Front
500 Checklist #436 - #537 #420 - #517
523 Nezelek Born in 1985 Born in 1965
583 Hickey "K" Is White - Front "K" Has Line Through It - Front
585 Pico Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
600 Checklist #538 - #639 #518 - #617
619 Hillegas Solid Lower Line - Front Line Gap 3/4 from Right Side - Front
637 Steinback All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
637 Steinback Black 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Clean Name Front - RMLP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thinner in name Front - ASGP Back
Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black lines thicker in name Front - ASGP Back Blue 1 inch Line Upper Left Front - Black Lines thinner in name Front - RMLP Back
639 Morris All White "J" - Front Line Through "J" - Front
650 Jackson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
654 Johnson All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
659 Ryan #659 Card Back #665 Card Back
660 Baines No Star Line Front - All Star Back No Star Line Front - Recent Back
660 Baines Line Through Star - All Star Back Line Through Star - Recent Back
663 Reuschel All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
665 Ryan K of K #665 Card Back No Card Number on Back #659 Card Back
673 Sierra All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
674 Guerrero All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
676 Ripken All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
683 Puckett All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
692 Sandberg All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - All Star Game Performance E R Break - All Star Game Performance
695 Davis No E R Break - Recent Major League Performance E R Break - Recent Major League Performance
697 McGwire All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
699 Canale "G" All White - Front Line Through Right "G" Loop - Front
700 Checklist #640 - #BC26 Includes #716 No #716 #618 - #716
701 Franco All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance AS Partial 19 in "1989" - Back AS Whole 19 in "1989" - Back
703 Stewart All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
705 Gwynn All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
707 Clark All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
708 Santiago All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
710 Smith All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
712 Boggs All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
715 Mitchell All Star Game Performance Recent Major League Performance
716 Giamatti Black Lines on Back No Black Lines on Back
BC-12 Smoltz John Smoltz Photo - Front Tom Glavine Photo - Front


1990 Donruss GRAND SLAMMERS
1 Williams With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
2 Leonard With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
3 James With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
4 McGwire With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
5 Evans With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
6 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
7 Sciocia With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
8 Benzinger With Black Lines on Back - Yellow Star in All Star - Front Without Black Lines on Back With Red Star in All-Star - Front
9 McGriff With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
10 Bass With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
11 Clark With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back
12 Jackson With Black Lines on Back Without Black Lines on Back


Yastzremski Puzzle Pieces
1,2,3 With Period Without Period
4,5,6 With Period Without Period
7,8,9 With Period Without Period
10,11,12 With Period Without Period
13,14,15 With Period Without Period
16,17,18 With Period Without Period
19,20,21 With Period Without Period
22,23,24 With Period Without Period
25,26,27 With Period Without Period
28,29,30 With Period Without Period
31,32,33 With Period Without Period
34,35,36 With Period Without Period
37,38,39 With Period Without Period
40,41,42 With Period Without Period
43,44,45 With Period Without Period | With Period in front of 43 only
46,47,48 With Period Without Period
49,50,51 With Period Without Period
52,53,54 With Period Without Period
55,56,57 With Period Without Period
58,59,60 With Period Without Period

Thanks for sharing your list. Would it be too much to ask for a scan of this:

18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner

I just want to know what to look for and it's easiest if I see it.

The messed up part is that I have been so anal about this pursuit I even kept the puzzle pieces. I have a 5,000 ct monster box of nothing but puzzle pieces. I think I have a problem.

Arthur

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

Thanks for sharing your list. Would it be too much to ask for a scan of this:

18 Johnson Line on back Thicker Line on back Thinner

I just want to know what to look for and it's easiest if I see it.

The messed up part is that I have been so anal about this pursuit I even kept the puzzle pieces. I have a 5,000 ct monster box of nothing but puzzle pieces. I think I have a problem.

Arthur

No problem at all. Both top and bottom are wide and narrower respectively. And no worries about a 5k box of puzzles. The first thing is identifying you have an addiction. So, welcome! : - )

Cheers,


Butch

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