1967 Topps High Numbers

[toppcat]

I just did an eBay canvass. This thread will show the pops in ascending order as follows: Card No. - Row - Count. The next thread will show it by row.

Rows Fronted by:

A 550 Pinson
B 557 Ferrara
C 576 NL Rookies
D 580 Colavito
E 531 7th Checklist
F 547 Red Sox Rookies
G 558 Orioles Rookies

Slit B rows (all positions known):
A
B
C
D
E
A
F
G
B
C
D
E

Slit A rows (top 5 positions known):
A
F
A
F
G

605 B 11
561 D 13
544 E 14
573 D 14
574 E 14
536 D 16
552 G 16
576 C 16
540 D 17
541 D 17
545 C 17
568 G 17
577 D 17
565 B 18
603 G 18
586 G 19
592 B 19
543 B 20
546 C 20
590 E 20
538 C 21
542 F 21
595 B 21
557 B 22
587 E 22
593 C 22
571 D 23
575 B 23
583 B 23
607 G 23
535 B 24
553 G 25
555 B 25
562 F 26
563 G 26
578 C 26
580 D 26
591 G 26
560 E 27
579 C 27
597 G 27
602 E 27
585 C 28
550 A 29
556 F 29
567 C 29
600 E 29
547 F 30
549 D 31
554 F 31
564 F 31
584 E 31
570 D 32
534 F 34
606 C 34
601 F 35
604 B 35
609 D 35
558 G 36
572 E 36
588 F 39
594 C 40
531 E 43
589 A 45
596 F 47
539 F 49
569 A 50
581 G 51
598 E 53
548 A 64
559 A 69
582 A 81
537 A 86
608 A 91
599 A 93
566 A 95
551 A 102

[toppcat]

I just did an eBay canvass. This thread will show the pops by row as follows (rows sequencing is out of order, it's sorted in ascending order per row): Card No. - Row - Count.

Rows Fronted by:

A 550 Pinson
B 557 Ferrara
C 576 NL Rookies
D 580 Colavito
E 531 7th Checklist
F 547 Red Sox Rookies
G 558 Orioles Rookies

Slit B rows (all positions known):
A
B
C
D
E
A
F
G
B
C
D
E

Slit A rows (top 5 positions known):
A
F
A
F
G

550 A 29
589 A 45
569 A 50
548 A 64
559 A 69
582 A 81
537 A 86
608 A 91
599 A 93
566 A 95
551 A 102
605 B 11
565 B 18
592 B 19
543 B 20
595 B 21
557 B 22
575 B 23
583 B 23
535 B 24
555 B 25
604 B 35
576 C 16
545 C 17
546 C 20
538 C 21
593 C 22
578 C 26
579 C 27
585 C 28
567 C 29
606 C 34
594 C 40
561 D 13
573 D 14
536 D 16
540 D 17
541 D 17
577 D 17
571 D 23
580 D 26
549 D 31
570 D 32
609 D 35
544 E 14
574 E 14
590 E 20
587 E 22
560 E 27
602 E 27
600 E 29
584 E 31
572 E 36
531 E 43
598 E 53
542 F 21
562 F 26
556 F 29
547 F 30
554 F 31
564 F 31
534 F 34
601 F 35
588 F 39
596 F 47
539 F 49
552 G 16
568 G 17
603 G 18
586 G 19
607 G 23
553 G 25
563 G 26
591 G 26
597 G 27
558 G 36
581 G 51

[Kevvyg1026]

I compiled a similar POP report a few weeks back for the 1967 Topps high numbers. The cards in row A (headed by Pinson) had an average of 71 cards each available, while those in row F headed by Rohr had 36 each. Cards in the other five rows averaged between 23 to 27.

Understanding that this POP report is only a snapshot and that other factors can influence such reports, I still find it interesting that the five rows I suspect were printed 3x each across the entire sheet have lower availability than the other two rows which I suspect were printed at a higher frequency.

[toppcat]

That A row is bizarre, like a Super Print row.

[Rich Klein]

Triple Print for Row A?

Double Print for another 11 or so

Then normal print and then one single print row:?

I know from my dealer days way back in the day that 561 Sandy Alomar was always a brutal card to get in NY.

I think the empirical evidence in this case has adjusted my thinking.

1) Triple Print Row
1) Double Print Row

4) Normal Print Rows

1) Single Print Row

Regards
Rich

[Bigdaddy]

Dave, so looking at your ebay search listed by row, I find it interesting that the first card in each row (corresponding to the first column) has the least number of cards for any given row. This could be explained by Topps frequently discarding the first column as it may have been 'dinged' or otherwise damaged by the product cutting/handling machinery.

If that were the case, then those 'column one' cards could also be considered 'short print' since fewer of them made it out of the factory than cards in the other columns.

Rich, excuse me for not following your thread, but can you explain further the difference between 'triple, double, normal and single'? I understand 'triple, double and single', but can't fit 'normal' in there.

Tom

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Dave, so looking at your ebay search listed by row, I find it interesting that the first card in each row (corresponding to the first column) has the least number of cards for any given row. This could be explained by Topps frequently discarding the first column as it may have been 'dinged' or otherwise damaged by the product cutting/handling machinery.

If that were the case, then those 'column one' cards could also be considered 'short print' since fewer of them made it out of the factory than cards in the other columns.

Rich, excuse me for not following your thread, but can you explain further the difference between 'triple, double, normal and single'? I understand 'triple, double and single', but can't fit 'normal' in there.

Tom

Sorry I may not have been clear. Each row is sorted independently, I haven't mapped each column location yet. So Row A lowest to highest, same for row B, etc. Average per row:

A 73
B 22
C 25
D 22
E 29
F 34
G 26

Curiouser and curiouser..... If three F rows are known now, does that mean there are 6 A rows?! B row has Shannon, D row the Alomar while the G row has vexed many collectors. If you take 6 A rows and 3 F's, every other row could appear twice to get 24 rows. WTF? I can't see that being the case. I think there could have been a production problem, which might explain the distribution issues as well as there is no denying that A row count. Hmmmm...just realized Kevvyg1026 notes the A row 5 times, F row 4 times and all others 3 times also works. The E row has the checklist, so that row's count is affected by that card also being printed with the semi-highs.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Dave, so looking at your ebay search listed by row, I find it interesting that the first card in each row (corresponding to the first column) has the least number of cards for any given row. This could be explained by Topps frequently discarding the first column as it may have been 'dinged' or otherwise damaged by the product cutting/handling machinery.

If that were the case, then those 'column one' cards could also be considered 'short print' since fewer of them made it out of the factory than cards in the other columns.

Rich, excuse me for not following your thread, but can you explain further the difference between 'triple, double, normal and single'? I understand 'triple, double and single', but can't fit 'normal' in there.

Tom

Way back in the day there were 22 cards which appeared more than others.

Now that we doing empirical research I think the real answer is

There is one group of 11 cards which is obviously triple printed as their numbers all skew much higher.

There is another group of 11 which by the empirical evidence of back in the day were available in quantity but as we see today not as much as the group of the big 11

Most of the other rows have normal distribution

One row (The one with Sandy Alomar Sr. #561) has consistently shorter availability. That makes sense in terms of historical evidence of this series.

Rich