Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[energyrater1]

Covid is over, and only affecting those who got the jab. This was biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people, and on top of that, tried to make sure you didn't have access to the cures (ivermectin, HCQ), and banned people who tried to tell you how to cure yourself.

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by energyrater1

Covid is over, and only affecting those who got the jab. This was biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people, and on top of that, tried to make sure you didn't have access to the cures (ivermectin, HCQ), and banned people who tried to tell you how to cure yourself.

+1.
HCQ was banned as a treatment option in 2020 by our governor here in MI, unfortunately. My wife bought ivermectin (horse paste to the MSM viewers) from Tractor Supply and it greatly helped cure several of my family members when combined with Zinc, including myself, who contracted Covid last year.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

+1.
HCQ was banned as a treatment option in 2020 by our governor here in MI, unfortunately. My wife bought ivermectin (horse paste to the MSM viewers) from Tractor Supply and it greatly helped cure several of my family members when combined with Zinc, including myself, who contracted Covid last year.

Please correct me if I am wrong. The ivermectin you wife bought at TSC didn't come in a Apple flavored paste with a picture of a horse on the package with dosing instructions for a horse did it?

Saying that I would take it in a second, just want to call it what it is no matter the side you are on. Animal OTC medications/vitamins are way better quality than the same for humans. The ones for animals are actually tested and contain what is on the label.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Please correct me if I am wrong. The ivermectin you wife bought at TSC didn't come in a Apple flavored paste with a picture of a horse on the package with dosing instructions for a horse did it?

Saying that I would take it in a second, just want to call it what it is no matter the side you are on. Animal OTC medications/vitamins are way better quality than the same for humans. The ones for animals are actually tested and contain what is on the label.

Maybe the horse version of ivermectin works, but the better-quality studies consistently have showed the pills don't. That said, I do think we will eventually get to where most serious cases are treatable.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ive...ud-everywhere/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35179551/

[irv]

Like I mentioned above,,,as a "pre-covid" measure.

Another Pubmed study that clearly shows there is something there using ivermectin as a preventative measure, like one taking their vitamins bi-weekly or daily.

Ivermectin, as I also said above, is cheap. Is it any wonder why, because "they" cared about our health and well being so much, it wasn't suggested as a pre-covid preventative medicine/measure?

"Our study aimed to describe SARS-CoV2 infection and death rates in African countries that participated in an intensive Ivermectin mass campaign carried out to control onchocerciasis and compare them with those of countries that did not participate"

"Results: After controlling for different factors, including the Human Development Index (HDI), APOC countries (vs. non-APOC), show 28% lower mortality (0.72; 95% CI: 0.67-0.78) and 8% lower rate of infection (0.92; 95% CI: 0.91-0.93) due to COVID-19"


"Conclusions: The incidence in mortality rates and number of cases is significantly lower among the APOC countries compared to non-APOC countries. That a mass public health preventive campaign against COVID-19 may have taken place, inadvertently, in some African countries with massive community ivermectin use is an attractive hypothesis".
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33795896/

Another study from the National Institute of Health.

Results and discussion
Our study compared the incidence of COVID-19 among countries with different PCT campaigns and those countries in which PCT is non-existent. It is perhaps obvious that the latter group is by far the largest. It should also not be surprising that this set of samples had a rather large variability (Fig. 1 ). However, in spite of this, the difference between nations that deploy PCT using ivermectin and those that do not use any PCT turned out to be highly significant (adjusted significance P < 0.01). These initial results were obtained on 15 April 2020 and because at that time SARS-CoV-2 was still being detected in new countries on an almost daily basis, we chose to monitor the situation and observe whether this correlation would over time become less significant. We updated our calculations and added additional newly affected countries several times throughout the month of May 2020 and noticed that the observed association between ivermectin MDA and lower COVID-19 incidence actually grew strictly stronger over time. By 5 June 2020, the adjusted significance had improved to P < 0.001, actually reported by IBM SPSS Statistics as 0.000. It has remained at that level since.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698683/

And another one.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....26.21254377v1
"Conclusions The morbidity and mortality in the onchocerciasis endemic countries are lesser than those in the non-endemic ones. The community-directed onchocerciasis treatment with ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in morbidity and fatality rate in Africa. In areas where ivermectin is distributed to and used by the entire population, it leads to a significant reduction in mortality"

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Please correct me if I am wrong. The ivermectin you wife bought at TSC didn't come in a Apple flavored paste with a picture of a horse on the package with dosing instructions for a horse did it?

Saying that I would take it in a second, just want to call it what it is no matter the side you are on. Animal OTC medications/vitamins are way better quality than the same for humans. The ones for animals are actually tested and contain what is on the label.

Yes Ben, that's the stuff and it comes in a slender yellow box. The apple flavor tastes like rubber bands and she also purchased/stockpiled some of the non-flavored version in the white boxes, too. We have a nurse friend at a local hospital who's seen their protocoled treatment not work and she suggested we try it. My wife's online research indicated the human dosage at '1 click' of the dispenser per 50 lbs of weight. Worked well for us.

On a side note, my wife also contracted a nagging cough early this past December that was originally diagnosed as bronchitis, as she was Covid negative. She was prescribed meds that didn't help, so she went to a different doctor about a month later. This doctor diagnosed her with pneumonia and prescribed her other meds that really weren't doing much either. So our same nurse friend suggested trying the Ivermectin again at '2 clicks' per 50 lbs of my wife's weight and her cough and pneumonia disappeared very quickly. Kind of crazy. That's our story.

On another side note. After she ordered several batches of the Ivermectin from Tractor Supply, she began receiving emails from them asking how 'our horse' was doing.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

Yes Ben, that's the stuff and it comes in a slender yellow box. The apple flavor tastes like rubber bands and she also purchased/stockpiled some of the non-flavored version in the white boxes, too. We have a nurse friend at a local hospital who's seen their protocoled treatment not work and she suggested we try it. My wife's online research indicated the human dosage at '1 click' of the dispenser per 50 lbs of weight. Worked well for us.

On a side note, my wife also contracted a nagging cough early this past December that was originally diagnosed as bronchitis, as she was Covid negative. She was prescribed meds that didn't help, so she went to a different doctor about a month later. This doctor diagnosed her with pneumonia and prescribed her other meds that really weren't doing much either. So our same nurse friend suggested trying the Ivermectin again at '2 clicks' per 50 lbs of my wife's weight and her cough and pneumonia disappeared very quickly. Kind of crazy. That's our story.

On another side note. After she ordered several batches of the Ivermectin from Tractor Supply, she began receiving emails from them asking how 'our horse' was doing.

I would appreciate more details on dosage, was it just one dose or multiple? Did any of you get any of the side effects? How much zinc did you take with it? How fast did it start working with Covid symptoms? I like info from someone who actually took it over random internet searches.

I done a little research today just on it with out Covid in the search to avoid any bias. It seemed that it was very safe to take and any side effects where mild for most.

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I would appreciate more details on dosage, was it just one dose or multiple? Did any of you get any of the side effects? How much zinc did you take with it? How fast did it start working with Covid symptoms? I like info from someone who actually took it over random internet searches.

I done a little research today just on it with out Covid in the search to avoid any bias. It seemed that it was very safe to take and any side effects where mild for most.

Hey Ben..... Glad to hear I'm not just some random internet source, LOL, although some would probably argue that.

I'll have to double check with her about when she had pneumonia, but I know she was taking a double dose each day (so, I believe that was 6 clicks per day). I'll ask her tonight how many days in a row she took it. I'm thinking it was probably 4 or 5.

For Covid we were taking one dose (3 clicks for her, 4 for me) every other day for a total of 4 doses (over the course of 8 days), along with the Zinc and Vitamin D. She also takes other vitamins on a daily basis, but I believe those were the main ones.

We didn't have any side effects. None. I remember that about an hour after my first dose last August when it was like 90+ degrees outside here, I had a weird 'clearing of the fog' feeling and felt great for several hours after that. That kind of went away later in the day, but each dose I took thereafter helped. My lingering Covid symptoms after finishing the Ivermectin were just tiredness/exhaustion that lasted a couple weeks. The Ivermectin didn't really eliminate that aspect, but it's possible it helped diminish it without me knowing. The exhaustion was the worst part for me.

[irv]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

This is the best post about this thread (and a few other threads that have nothing to do with sports in anyway). For those who fill up my screen with link after link of nonsense and crazy conspiracy theories...Why work so hard to convince others that you are correct? Is it because you need the validation from others? This is a sports site....if I wanted to argue about politics I would visit those type of sites.


Jeff G.

Is your invisible friend, who forced you to come into the Watercooler Talk "Off Topics" thread and post what you did, in the room with you right now?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by energyrater1

Covid is over

Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died in the US every day for the last 28 days. Oh wait, you can't.

Originally Posted by energyrater1

and only affecting those who got the jab.

Yeah, no need for me to read anymore.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died in the US every day for the last 28 days. Oh wait, you can't.



Yeah, no need for me to read anymore.

Has the overall death toll % changed in the last 10 years will all these added deaths? I cant seem to find much deviation. I'm seeing a steady .10 increase.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Has the overall death toll % changed in the last 10 years will all these added deaths? I cant seem to find much deviation. I'm seeing a steady .10 increase.

Good question, but I don't think the answer, which you've posted, gives us any idea regarding the effects of Covid on the US death rates. Although one would expect a larger increase in the growth rate between 2019 and 2020, I don't see that. It's interesting that the death rate growth declined pretty much every year between 2014 and 2021. It's also confusing that they have 2022 data in the list. We're only 2 months into the year and I'm surprised they would have anything for it. One obvious reason for a growth in the death rate is the aging population. But it's curious that there was a big jump in the growth rate between 2013 and 2014. What happened then?

I also need to point out that I left out a key word in my previous post. It should have read, "Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died of Covid in the US every day for the last 28 days."

[tschock]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Good question, but I don't think the answer, which you've posted, gives us any idea regarding the effects of Covid on the US death rates. Although one would expect a larger increase in the growth rate between 2019 and 2020, I don't see that. It's interesting that the death rate growth declined pretty much every year between 2014 and 2021. It's also confusing that they have 2022 data in the list. We're only 2 months into the year and I'm surprised they would have anything for it. One obvious reason for a growth in the death rate is the aging population. But it's curious that there was a big jump in the growth rate between 2013 and 2014. What happened then?

I also need to point out that I left out a key word in my previous post. It should have read, "Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died of Covid in the US every day for the last 28 days."

Here's a correction for you. They did NOT die "of COVID". They did WITH COVID. Just one of a number of ways that inaccurate information keeps getting pushed. And it is a valid distinction.

Do I get this from FOX News? No, from the CDC itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

[vintagetoppsguy]

Pfizer CEO now says a 4th dose is necessary.

https://abc13.com/covid-19-vaccine-f...r-of/11650075/

I can see it now. In 10 years, people will still be dying with Covid and all their friends and loved ones will say, "If he'd only had his 32nd booster it might have saved him."

Go get your shots sheeple...errr, I mean people.

[frankbmd]

[QUOTE=maniac_73;2205408]Ya’ll are spending a lot of time and emotion writing massive posts that convince people of nothing and accomplish nothing. All energy that could be spent more productively.


Yup. Collecting baseball cards is the definition of productivity, along with learning the economics of supply and demand, sniffing out the fraudulent altering of cardboard for profit, and the posting of cards that most of us cannot afford to get a few "attaboys" on pick up threads.

It would be a better world if Putin, Zelensky, Fauci, Xi and all the other pols were productive members of our hobby community. Who in their right mind would consider the invasion of Ukraine more important than the MLB CBA.

I pray this post isn't too political for our fearless leader Leon.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tschock

Here's a correction for you. They did NOT die "of COVID". They did WITH COVID. Just one of a number of ways that inaccurate information keeps getting pushed. And it is a valid distinction.

Do I get this from FOX News? No, from the CDC itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

Massachusetts recently revised its numbers downward fairly significantly.

There is this take though:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...=pocket_mylist

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Massachusetts recently revised its numbers downward fairly significantly.

There is this take though:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...=pocket_mylist

Thanks for the article. I generally agree with the premise of the article. A couple of things, not that I disagree with, but to clarify where I'm coming from.

The subtitle: "Modelling suggests that by the end of 2021, some 18 million people had died because of the pandemic"

And also in the article: "But he stresses that such estimates also include deaths from other causes. More research is needed, he says, to separate deaths caused directly by COVID-19 from those that are the indirect results of the pandemic, such as those of people who did not have COVID-19 and died because of inadequate medical care in overwhelmed hospitals."

But I also think the more accurate take wouldn't be because of the pandemic, but because of how we handled the pandemic. When you warehouse COVID positive patients with other elderly patients, you don't get a good outcome. When you negatively impact peoples lives by limiting their ability to perform their jobs in a relatively safe environment (ie those working outdoors), the stress of 'where does the next paycheck come from' has a definite health impact. I could list many other examples of the impact of COVID that needs to be appropriately balanced against the absolute numbers of the 'death toll' side.

I will say it again that measuring deaths alone and even factoring in excess death models does not give the complete picture. What we leave out of the other side of the equation is the negative impact of the 'years lost' of those who were negatively impacted by the policies that were put in place to address the pandemic. And there were a number of stupid ones that we put in place even within the context of what we knew at the time. It will be years down the road before we'll even be able to model all the 'years lost' of people who did not die with COVID.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Has the overall death toll % changed in the last 10 years will all these added deaths? I cant seem to find much deviation. I'm seeing a steady .10 increase.

The first thing I noticed is the data you show comes from the United Nations 2019 Revision of World Population Prospects. So, the data for 2020 through 2022 is a projection.

The CDC data on excess deaths paints an interesting picture.XSD.jpg

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

The first thing I noticed is the data you show comes from the United Nations 2019 Revision of World Population Prospects. So, the data for 2020 through 2022 is a projection.

The CDC data on excess deaths paints an interesting picture.Attachment 507165

Totally off topic, I always heard "more people die around the holidays" but always thought it just something people said.