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Posted By: Anonymous

Name a pitcher who won 20 games his rookie season and ended up with 60 for his career. EDITED TYPO SORRY

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Krause?

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Old 08-21-2008, 02:36 PM
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Bob Grim of the Yankees went 20-6 in his first year and
then finished his career at just 61-41.Cooled off a bit.
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:37 PM
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Posted By: Anonymous

I thought you guys would guess Fidrych, but he only won 19.

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Old 08-21-2008, 02:42 PM
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Posted By: Steve Dawson

Fidrych was close...he went 19-9 his rookie year, and only won 10 more after that!


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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I don't know about 20 wins first season, and 60 total...

Jim Turner won 20 his first season, and was 69-60 at the end of his 9 years in the majors. Jim had an interesting career, in the minors and all, following Casey up to the majors in 1937 to Boston, then over to the Yankees...

Waiting to see who won 20 the first year, then only 40 more...


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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

OK, I'm getting closer...

Irv Young, in T206, won 20 games in his first ML year, 1905, for Boston. He won 43 more games during his 6 year ML career. A total of 63 wins.

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Posted By: Anthony S.

Hugh Bedient won 20 his first year for the Sox and ended up with 59 total.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

if its 20 wins and 60 wins exactly then I am coming up with NO BODY!  but I am sure I am missing something.

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Posted By: Anonymous

I said hours ago that Dave W got it right.

Maybe there is someone else out there who also fits the bill, but Dave W guessed the one I had in mind.

EDIT TO ADD Anthony S. came up with one too, 59 is as close to 60 as 61. Good one!

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Posted By: Anonymous

Close enough, you win too.

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Old 08-21-2008, 05:28 PM
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Posted By: Anonymous

No cheating now. Name five men who won the rookie of the year award (hitters, not pitchers, not a trick question) and ended up with fewer than 500 career hits.

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Old 08-21-2008, 05:32 PM
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla

Joe Charboneau?

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Old 08-21-2008, 05:43 PM
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Posted By: Anonymous

That's one.

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Old 08-21-2008, 05:49 PM
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Hollandsworth... Braun, although his career isn't over

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Posted By: Anonymous

Hollandsworth is wrong.

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Old 08-21-2008, 05:53 PM
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Ron Kittle?

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Ken Hubbs and Sam Jethroe are two more.

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Pat Listach?

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Posted By: Bob Manning

...and Pat Listach

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Old 08-21-2008, 06:06 PM
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Posted By: Anonymous

Listach is right. Kittle is wrong. Jethroe is right. Hubbs is right.

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Old 08-21-2008, 06:13 PM
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Posted By: Bob Manning

Jerome Walton

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Posted By: Anonymous

Yup. I am aware of 6, so there is yet another one out there.

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Old 08-21-2008, 06:18 PM
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Posted By: Bob Manning

Bob Hamelin

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Old 08-21-2008, 06:19 PM
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On April 18, 1950, Jethroe became the first black player on the Boston Braves roster, and collected two hits including a home run. He was named Rookie of the Year that season at age 33 (although he was then believed to be 28) after hitting .273 with 100 runs, 18 home runs and 58 runs batted in; his 35 stolen bases topped the NL, and were the most by a Brave since Hap Myers stole 57 in 1913. He remains the oldest player to have won Rookie of the Year honors. Jethroe enjoyed an almost identical but perhaps slightly improved season in 1951 when he posted better figures in batting (.280), runs (101), RBI (65), hits (160), doubles (29) and triples (10), and again hit 18 homers. He also repeated his 35 steals, once again to lead the league. But in 1952 he slumped badly, hitting .232, and reportedly had vision trouble; rumors were also circulating that he was older than his listed age. His career was also marked by difficulty in the outfield, as he led the NL in errors in each of his three full seasons, though he also led the league with 6 double plays as a rookie; his arm was not as accurate as those of most major league center fielders, and it was believed that he was playing too deep. In addition, he was among the NL's top four batters in strikeouts each year. On June 7 of his last year with the team, he hit the final grand slam in Boston Braves history before the club moved to Milwaukee.

Jethroe spent 1953 with Triple-A Toledo, hitting .307. Before the 1954 season he was one of six players acquired by the Pittsburgh Pirates in exchange for infielder Danny O'Connell, but Jethroe played only two games for the team, the last on April 15. After that, he spent the next five seasons at Toronto in the International League. Despite being among the league leaders in hits, runs and stolen bases during that period, his batting averages generally declined, and he never got another chance in the majors. In a four-season major league career, he was a .261 hitter with 460 hits, 49 home runs, 280 runs, 181 RBI and 98 stolen bases in 442 games.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Either you are a baseball genius or you are consulting a reference source. Hamelin it is.

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Old 08-21-2008, 06:28 PM
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Posted By: Bob Manning

No genius here. Jethroe came to me immediately because I was a kid in those days and kept up lots better than I do now. As noted above, Sam (The Jet) spent the great majority of his career in the Negro Leagues, getting to Boston when he was well into his thirties, and so seemed a logical first choice. And of course Kenny Hubbs was killed in a plane crash after only two full seasons with the Cubs.

The rest was just dogwork.

But thanks for the challenge anyway!

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Posted By: brock

Heres a trivia question. I think it should be easy for some people.

Name the 2 pitchers to pitch in at least 10 seasons and have a winning record in all of them(one player is modern and the other is vintage).

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Posted By: Rich Klein

IIRC

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Old 08-22-2008, 07:57 PM
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Posted By: Bob Manning

is Spud Chandler

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Posted By: ali_lapoint

i think tim hudson is the modern player

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Posted By: brock

Andy P. is right

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Posted By: ali_lapoint

tim hudson is right as well. this is his 10th season and he has had a winning record in all of them. also i believe hudson has the highest winning percentage out of any pitcher other than whitey ford. 655 vs 690. after just 10 seasons hudson is 146-77. pretty incredible for this era in particular.

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Posted By: brock

So does everyone give up on the vintage player.

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Posted By: ali_lapoint

vintage player is joe mcginnity

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Posted By: Anonymous

He was 18-18 one year, not a winning record. If the question is pitchers who never had a LOSING records, there are others. Alexander for one, I believe. Maybe Hubbell as well.

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Posted By: brock

The name i was looking for was Babe Ruth. But i guess the website i got the question from is way off. My fault.

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Posted By: Dan P.

As a variation on the original question of this thread, there is only ONE player to make the team out of spring training as a rookie (no prior major league experience--minors only), played over 150 games, then faded into oblivion as a player and never played another major league game (his entire major league career stats are on 1 line). Who is this nice man?

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Posted By: ali_lapoint

sorta on topic. i always thought it was incredible that dave winfield never played a minor league game.

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Posted By: Rich Klein

Is George Sparky Anderson

And I believe Winfield eventually did do a minor league rehab stint, but way later in his career

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Posted By: ali_lapoint

thebaseballcube isn't showing a single minor league game for winfield. and even if he did a rehab stint, i meant it was incredible he made the jump with no professional experience at all.

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Bob Maier, who played for Detroit right at the end of WWII. Only played in 132 games (not the 150 required here), but hit a respectable .263, including seven triples. In fact Detroit won the pennant with him at third, though he was replaced by Jimmy Outlaw in the Series, which the Tigers won. And then Hank Greenberg came back from the service and George Kell joined the club the following spring, and Mr. Maier never surfaced again. It's probably not him, but it's worth knowing anyway.

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Posted By: Dan P.

Rich is right--Sparky Anderson played 152 of 154 games with the 1959 Phillies.

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