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Posted By: Bob
Requiem for a Rookie Card |
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Posted By: Chad
On top of that, I won't even get into how much Macaroni and Cheese and Jiffy Pop Popcorn I ate, or how many Slurpees I sucked down because they offered cards. It'll come back, though. My nephew likes baseball cards more than baseball, I think. Topps and Upperdeck just need to get their products back in the corner shops and supermarkets so the kids can beg their parents to buy them a pack or two. |
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Posted By: DJ
Cards from the era are like roaches. I have seen advertised in newspaper five times in the last three months of an estate sale with a mention of "baseball cards". I hope to hit the mother load, pristine cards from the turn of the century! My own major find! After all, the house is from 1910, right? But as usual, I come up disappointed as I see 3200 count boxes full of 1980's and 1990's trading cards. Stacked up high. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
We all know the world has changed drastically in the last few years and many of us who are older really do feel that life was simpler and more fun when we were kids. I was so lucky to grow up in the sixties and listen to all the great music from that period. Today kids have 50 cent and Brittney Spears. And they can keep them. The fun we had opening packs of cards is a lost art today. And to some extent I think the Beatles are too. Part of collecting is holding onto a piece of the past and to some degree we are all doing just that. |
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Posted By: Bob
Amen, Barry, amen. It's hard to explain to a youngin' how we used to puzzle at whether or not to buy 5 penny packs with one card but one slab of pink gum in each or buy a nickel pack and get 8 cards but only piece of that delicious gum! I miss that gum. Pink slabs covered with that white powder. |
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Posted By: James Feagin
I grew up in the mid-eighties and some of my fondest memories surround these pieces of cardboard that are now worthless. I remember the utter jubilation of ripping a 1986 Topps box for $12 after saving my allowance for 6 weeks. I stuffed that stale gum in my face left and right, it was a feeling I never wanted to end. I remember staying up HOURS the night before the Columbia, Maryland Hilton show. In those days, most of my peers collected everything. Sportflics, 1986 Topps, 1952 Topps, t206, Goudey, whatever it was, we collected it. In 1992 the wax pack died, I was 17 and moved on to girls. I came back 7 years later, but it was never exactly the same. As for music, I could write articles and volumes (I already have), about consumer culture and music's death as an art-form. The 1980's, my childhood, was listening to the Smiths (I grew up a complete Morrissey wannabe) while ripping 30cent packs of cards. Conniving my mom to by endless amounts of Drakes, M&Ms, Meadow Gold, Jiffy Pop, Honeycomb cereal, it wasn't a tough sell at all. |
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Posted By: Steve M.
as my wife works for a facility for mentally challenged adults. They just love the slickies and every week or so she'll take in an 800 count box and pass them around. Hasn't made a dent yet as the boys did quite a bit of collecting in the 80's and 90's. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
are the folks at the National who either (1) had tables full of the shiny crap or (2) were spending good money on the shiney crap. Don't they know they are throwing good money after bad? I am amazed that Topps, etc., still have sales of $250 million. Their product takes a 90% nose-dive the moment it is sold. If there is a set I happen to like in a given year, I wait till next year and buy it collated and complete for ten bucks or less. And while I miss the gum and that smell, I can get it for a few cents with a pack of Bazooka. |
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Posted By: Brett
It kind of reminds me of when i use to buy baseball and hockey card packages in 1990 - 1992 when i was about 6 years old, and finding out that the were so mass produced, that the value is like 1 cent per card lol. that was when packs cost about 25 cents. not now, when you have to pay like $15 for a pack of 5 cards, just becase you might get a ****ty jersey card of a no name ball player.... |
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Posted By: Sean
I have a cousin who is one of the larger shiny basketball card dealers and the only thing I can compare it to is fad collecting. Some of these cards he has come from packs that cost $50+ (WTF?), and are worth $20,000 today...next year the next Lebron James comes around and last years cards lose their value. |
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Posted By: dennis
i don't want to generalize too much but most vintage bb collectors want to preserve that historic past of the game. while still enjoying baseball as it exists today. while the collectors of modern cards enjoy the game as it is now and don't care about the history of the game. kind of like history in general,either you love it or could care less. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
We must be the same age (I'm 54) because we listened to exactly the same music. I might throw in the Yardbirds and Buffalo Springfield, but why quibble. |
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Posted By: Jason
newer cards are just like the American automobile!!! |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: davidcycleback
With low prices for ungraded 1980s cards, one will complain the cards don't sell |
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Posted By: Bob
Barry- I can't believe I left off the Yardbirds (Page, Beck and Clapton) and of course Buffalo Springfield with Stephen Stills and Neil Young and Jim Messina. Outstanding. REAL music. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Did you know that when the Yardbirds broke up Jimmy Paige was given the band which he then called the New Yardbirds. He brought in an unknown singer, bass player, and drummer, and in time realized the band was heading in new directions. So he dropped the name New Yardbirds and changed it to- Led Zeppelin...and the rest is history. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
It lead to the bloated corpse that rock became in the 70s. Thank gawd for punk or music would have been a real waste land in the 70s. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
wow...This talk has brought back some great memories. Ginger Baker and Cream, Jim Crose, Pink Floyd, Wishbone Ash, Humble Pie, Starship, J. Geils, Harry Chapin, Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars( David Bowie), Jethro Tull. I could go on. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Zeppelin was the best 70's band and closest to the sixties in spirit- their first and best album was 1968- but can't say anything bad about the Ramones, Clash, and others. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Yep Cream was pretty great too. Saw them live at MSG. Sorry this is getting so off topic, but I can go on all day. Pull the plug when you've heard too much. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
...now is the time to acquire all of the 1987 Topps Danny Tartabulls, Kal Daniels, Pete Incaviglias, Mike Greenwells and Will Clarks imaginable. They will be oh so cheap and I will RULE THE WORLD!!! |
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Posted By: David McDonald
Will you tell us your name then? |
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Posted By: leon
So there I was at the National (and btw, to me it was pretty good) and I had already looked at each table with vintage about 5x. I decided to try to find out what the folks collecting new stuff were doing. I stood next to one guy looking through piles of the stuff. I just stood there a few minutes watching and wondering....then left, still not knowing what they are doing? I have said all along that collecting ANY baseball cards is good...but like the first post says....I would hate to have spent a lot on them....regards |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I was lucky enough to see the Ramones and Talking Heads at CBGB's and Adam Ant at the Mudd Club. Also saw the Stray Cats at the 700 Club in Manhattan and Kieth Richards showed up and jammed with them. For those from SF, I used to hang at the Mabuhay Gardens and The Stone. Saw Black Flag, Dead Kennedys and other great punk bands there. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Was, about 1968, for a short time, in a group whose drummer was Joey Ramone, then known as Jeff Hyman from Forest Hills in Queens, NYC. Used to rehearse in his parent's basement. Did a grand total of (almost) one show (by that time I had already bailed, wisely or unwisely) at which I was told Jeff/Joey got s..t-faced, puked and the show had to be cancelled. My "brush with greatness". |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Never went to CBGB's even though I was working in the Village and going to NYU grad school in the 70's. My haunts were Fillmore East and Boston Tea Party (which was on Landsdown St. in Boston right behind the Green Monster). |
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Posted By: Bob
3 greatest concerts I ever went to: Doobie Brothers, Springsteen and Crosby, Stills and Nash (when they were young and so was I). |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Bob- I saw the Doors in 1968 when they were already a bit past their prime; however, I hate to say this but in June 1967 I was at a concert at the Fillmore East when it was still called the Village Theatre and the acts were: the Doors, the Blues Project (Al Kooper's band), the Chambers Brothers, Richie Havens, and Janis Ian all on the same bill. I saw most of the show and then the Doors came out and began with "Soul Kitchen". At that very moment my parents came into the theatre, found me, and after fighting with them and having the whole audience turn around to see what the commotion was, dragged me home. I was 14 and it was the worst night of my life. Don't even ask the details. But I did hear one song. My best concerts were the Beatles twice, Jimi Hendrix, Concert for Bangladesh (yesterday was the 35th anniversary)which included Bob Dylan, the Dead in 1969, the Jefferson Airplane at the Fillmore, Mothers of Invention, and god knows how many more. I thought it would last forever, but nothing ever does. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Barry, |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
Will try posting this again. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Nope, don't remember the Anderson. The Fillmore was 2nd Avenue and 6th Street. How close was it? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I am familiar with that website. I think it's all Bill Graham's old stuff, being offered for sale at far too high a price. |
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Posted By: David Smith
Barry, just think if you had got and kept the concert posters and broadsides from those concerts. You could have sold them and used the money for your baseball collection. |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
You guys are going to love this link: |
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Posted By: barrysloate
No T-shirts in those days, but the posters were pretty cool. I saw Hendrix Feb 3, 1968 at Hunter College, in case you want to google it. Frank Zappa was in the audience- we saw him in the lobby when we walked in. The band the Association was also in the audience, and I think they were introduced and stood up to applause. The music was great, mostly from his first album, and the one song I distinctly remember was "Red House." I too had no idea as did anybody that he wasn't going to live very long, and of course I never saw him again. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
The Anderson was on the other side of 2nd Ave., between 3rd and 4th streets. |
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Posted By: Alan
Barry - |
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Posted By: John Barnes
It's hard to argue with what the modern collectors are doing when they bust a $2000 pack of Exquisite and pull a Lebron James RC Auto Patch /99 and sell it for $200k. |
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Posted By: jeff j
Jack Thanks for mentioning wolfgang's vault. Did anyone see the story of this on the CBS Sunday morning program 3-4 weeks ago? |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
They plan to start selling cd's with live concert recordings in October. I'm saving up. But seriously, for you guys that love not only this music, but hearing the raw live concert recordings - click on the Vault Radio link now. (ps: Wolfgang was Graham's real first name.) |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Zep never did anything for me. Pink Floyd, The Clash and Prince were far better. Brian Setzer (Stray Cats) and Danny Elman (Oingo Boingo) are pretty good too. Those 2 produce a great array of music styles. |
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Posted By: Bob
Alan- Somehow I don't think Eric Clapton and the boys are playing with this imitation group. It reminds me of when Credence Clearwater Revival was thought to be coming to town and it turned out to be a clever play on words which sounded like and had the same initals as CCR but played homages to the group, and of course no John Fogarty and the other Fogarty. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The Anderson is sounding vaguely familiar as I think about it, but I never went there. It would be great if all the concert footage became available from Graham's collection. Some of them have to be gems. |
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Posted By: Alan
Bob - Of course, it's not Clapton & the original members. I'm not sure who the "Yardbird" guys touring are nowadays... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Only original member of the Yardbirds who is no longer living is vocalist Keith Relf. He electrocuted himself while playing guitar in his basemant in 1976. That's a true story. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
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Posted By: leon
Since we are here....in '79, while in the Marine Corps, I saw Jefferson Airplane "introducing Grace Slick". It was at the Hollywood bowl. That was the absolute best show I have ever seen....and with my frame of mind it was really, really good that night .....oh to be young again....best regards |
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Posted By: Richard Masson
Actually, in 1979, they would have been Jefferson Starship. The "white rabbit" era was over ten years before. If you can still listen to "We built this city" without gagging, you must be deaf. |
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Posted By: leon
That was the irony.....and they played all of their old songs.....(maybe I am mistaking but I thought it was Airplane....regardless it was awesome)...and Grace was Grace at her best.... |
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