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The only known example of an N566 Newsboy John L. Sullivan. No longer part of my collection.
Andy, I was lucky enough to pick this one up. I'll take good care of it until it passes on to the next lucky individual.
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Andy, I was lucky enough to pick this one up. I'll take good care of it until it passes on to the next lucky individual.
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I need to post a boxing card for today. Here's a classic.
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Something different from my normal long-dead guys. Thought he was a great talent, ducked by the best competition in his prime, clearly robbed by boxing's corruption in his big fight. Seems to have lost interest in fighting serious competition at all afterwards, the Rolls fight was just embarrassing to the sport.

I don't do much modern (there's too much of it, pricing is absurd, and the amount of 1/1's makes master set collecting that I like to do an effectively impossible task), but keeping with "good looking boxing cards" is pretty easy when so few are made. UD's Goodwin and Topps Ginter line produce a good boxing card or 2 every year. I like the designs, and since everyone is only looking for hits to resell, if you buy when all the box crackers are selling off in the first weeks after release, everything but the marque hits can be had for very little.
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I picked this up from a fellow member.
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1892-93 N266. Beautiful.
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Another blacksmith

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Here's a golden oldie.
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That's a great JLS.
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Haven't posted in a long time, but love seeing rare boxing cards. Enjoy these 2.
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Kid Francis was one of a number of professional boxers forced to fight for the amusement and gambling of the guards at Auschwitz. The winners were fed, the losers murdered. Francis lost a bout and was murdered.
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Kid Francis was one of a number of professional boxers forced to fight for the amusement and gambling of the guards at Auschwitz. The winners were fed, the losers murdered. Francis lost a bout and was murdered.
That's horrible, tragic, and sickening. I had never heard that story. It's hard to post following that, but I'll post something to keep us going.
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Here's an even better documented one (details from Wikipedia):




On 21 September 1943, after being denounced by an acquaintance, Flyweight champ Victor "Young" Perez was arrested in Paris by the Milice Francaise, a French collaborationist paramilitary force of the Vichy Regime. He was detained in the Drancy internment camp before being transported to the German extermination camp of Auschwitz where he was assigned to the Monowitz subcamp to serve as a slave laborer for I.G. Farben at the Buna-Werke.

During his internment, he was forced to participate in boxing matches for the amusement of the German guards and officers. He never lost. By 1945, Perez was one of just 31 survivors of the original 1,000.

To escape from the Russians rapidly advancing on German held territory, the Nazis abandoned Auschwitz in January 1945. On 18 January 1945, Perez became one of the prisoners on the death march from Monowitz in Poland, 37 miles or 62 kilometers Northwest to the Gleiwitz concentration camp near the Czech border. Perez was reported to have been killed three days later on 21 January. According to eye witness testimony he was shot to death by a guard while attempting to distribute bread he had found in Gleiwitz's kitchen to other starving prisoners.

He was inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame in 1986. In 2013, his life was made into the French and German-language film Victor Young Perez. Perez's role was played by the 2000 French Olympic Gold medalist in light-flyweight boxing, Brahim Asloum.

There are only a handful of known Perez autographs out there. This photo has a partial (last name) on the back:

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Hmmm, here's a Kid Francis and Young Perez from the French c. 1935-36 Nestle set, which interestingly seems to be full of boxers whom the Germans had deemed "enemies".

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Here's another one from the same set who was able to flee in time. A Polish-Jewish boxer who got stripped of his German Titles in 1933....Fled to France, then England, and finally to the U.S., where he settled, just before things got really bad in Europe. Married Greta Meinstein, who was a track star barred from the 1936 Olympics by Germany.

Also showing a German Boxing Card of Seelig.

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Seelig publicity photo:



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2014 IBHOF inductee Ledoux, from the H.B. series, hand-colored
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Thank you, Adam and Dave for sharing those very touching and disturbing cards. An unfortunate, but important history lesson.

...I have always liked this Campioni della Sport Sonny Liston.
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Liston was a scary dude, in and out of the ring. I like this one:



it is from the last printing of the Kid Herman set. Here is his paper handout 'CDV':

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I'll add one of my favorites for the day. I like the old-man Donovan image for some reason, (62 according to the card back but he had to have turned 63 before it was issued, based on his birthdate, the text on the Joe Gans card, and the ledger) and he is, I think, one of the more interesting 19th century fighters. Also the only boxer to get 2 solo cards in the T220 issue. His 'Print Group 1' card is here in most of its guises.

Donovan was included with the Silver's and quickly pulled from some reason (You'd think a problem with the plate would be corrected or the card just pulled and left out, but they went ahead and repainted the entire background for some reason between the card's removal and the issue of the T220-2 White Border print run). His Mecca 30 and Mecca 649 backs are next to it from the White Border run.

Below it are 3 oddities I have alongside my near-master set but aren't actual variations. At left is one without red ink or faded (I am always suspicious of red-to-orange 'errors' nowadays; they are easily faked, easily happen naturally with aging and sun, and commonly faked for issues people care about, like T206). Second is a miscut (hard to see in photo at the resolution Net54 allows) showing the card above him on the sheet was also Mike Donovan of-today for at least part of the way up the column, as expected for American Lithographic cards. Last is the yellow smear, whether this was accidental defect was printed early on and fixed or happened part way through I don't know, but it seems to only come with the F649 reverse, which indicate it may have been an early recurring issue at the very beginning.

At bottom is the T223 Dixie Queen version of the same card, which uses the same artwork and so was presumably done with American Lithography, though I suspect and can not prove it was put out several years after the T220's were in early 1911 (possibly very late in 1910). The Tolstoi T220 is missing, one of 3 Tolstoi's I am still looking for. A shameless plug that I would like to buy one goes here.
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Today I thought I'd throw some Marcianos at you.

1952 MagicoSport Lampo Marciano Booklet:



1952 Cicogna:



1953 Fickjournalen:



1958 SADA Firenze:



1960s printing of the Kid Herman cards:

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Really nice e78's Ed. Are you working on the set?
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This Al Kaufman card got me started on a T225 set.
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This Al Kaufman card got me started on a T225 set.
It's a great set, I'm at work on the master run now (1/3 of the way through). The lack of a Johnson has kept this issue particularly cheap still and collector-friendly. Are you doing the type 2 white borders as well? Those are also cheap, but pretty tough.
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It's a great set, I'm at work on the master run now (1/3 of the way through). The lack of a Johnson has kept this issue particularly cheap still and collector-friendly. Are you doing the type 2 white borders as well? Those are also cheap, but pretty tough.
So far just the 1st 25 of the set. I currently I have 8 cards and 5 different backs.
Jim Driscoll
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Seems the name of the game is Al Kaufman, we've had his T225, His E77, his E78, his T9 in the set thread all within a week or so.

Here's his most available card for us basics, and I think his finest looking non-cabinet, if not nearly as cool as Ed's E78 up above. This was one of the first T218's I picked up in my set:
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Hi Brent, love to be working on any of the E sets, but they're impossible to find in decent condition. I probably have 10-20 from each set, but they rarely come around. If you have any, let me know. Thanks
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Hey Dave, are you a descendant of that Hogan?

I've got two boxers in the family tree, but only one has any cards.






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[QUOTE=Exhibitman;2109166]Hey Dave, are you a descendant of that Hogan?

I've got two boxers in the family tree, but only one has any cards.



No, I'm not related to him. I just collect cards in any sport with their first or last name Hogan. Just something different to collect. Anyone except hulk Hogan.
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I've got two boxers in the family tree, but only one has any cards.



No, I'm not related to him. I just collect cards in any sport with their first or last name Hogan. Just something different to collect. Anyone except hulk Hogan.
Hulk Hogan was the first one I thought of!
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Here's a boxer for today.
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I know strip cards don't often get a lot of love, but this is one of my favorites I've picked up. Reverse image with a cool color shift
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No, I'm not related to him. I just collect cards in any sport with their first or last name Hogan. Just something different to collect. Anyone except hulk Hogan.
Interesting. You are the second collector I've met who collects cards of fighters with the same surname that are not related to him.
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This is another amusing one I like. Jack Randall died in 1828, never fought with gloves in his career. Even the card back references the bare-knuckle nature of the bout. And yet one of the ALC artists padded up both gentleman's fists.

Instead of changing the entire background on Donovan's card or erasing a man in the background on Coburn's, you'd think ALC would edit the gloves on this card if they wanted to make some changes. Here it is in all 4 versions, Mecca 30, Mecca 649, Tolstoi, Dixie Queen
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This is another amusing one I like. Jack Randall died in 1828, never fought with gloves in his career. Even the card back references the bare-knuckle nature of the bout. And yet one of the ALC artists padded up both gentleman's fists.

Instead of changing the entire background on Donovan's card or erasing a man in the background on Coburn's, you'd think ALC would edit the gloves on this card if they wanted to make some changes. Here it is in all 4 versions, Mecca 30, Mecca 649, Tolstoi, Dixie Queen

Randall did perform a lot of sparring exhibitions and benefits with gloves on. That image was basically lifted and transposed from this 19th Century print, purportedly showing Randall and Turner giving an exhibition at the Fives Court.

Randall and Turner did fight, but it wasn't there, and it certainly wasn't in an elevated ring with gloves on.

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Here's a Mayo's Cut Plug of Sullivan.
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Nice Sullivan!

This is a real bear of a cabinet set, from 1904:





Also known are Sullivan, O'Brien, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries. I will definitely trade for those if anyone has them.
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Randall did perform a lot of sparring exhibitions and benefits with gloves on. That image was basically lifted and transposed from this 19th Century print, purportedly showing Randall and Turner giving an exhibition at the Fives Court.

Randall and Turner did fight, but it wasn't there, and it certainly wasn't in an elevated ring with gloves on.

Good to know, I haven’t seen that image before. I like this full painting better. I know some sparring and exhibitions were done with gloves in this time, but not “official” (semi-official? Wasn’t exactly organized) fights as I understand it.
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Good to know, I haven’t seen that image before. I like this full painting better. I know some sparring and exhibitions were done with gloves in this time, but not “official” (semi-official? Wasn’t exactly organized) fights as I understand it.

No, not official. They were basically an excuse to get a bunch of money in the room, and let the fancies rub shoulders with the boxing celebrities. Lots of shadow boxing and punch pulling. More a display of technical skill, rather then the real brutishness they saved for the actual bouts.

If you do a search for "Interior Of The Fives Court" on Google, you could probably find some better images, of both vintage examples and reprints. This was the first one I could actually grab a link for.

I had a large vintage example years ago. A beautiful piece up close. Even vintage examples of these type of prints, don't really sell for much when they pop up occasionally at auction houses. Probably less then the price of a PSA 3 T218 Jack Johnson.
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Actually found the example I had in my files. There is a key that exists that lists the various boxing celebrities purportedly in the crowd.
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Here's a copper plate etching of Randall from an 1840 edition of Boxiana by Pierce Egan.



Jack The Prime Irish Lad was 23 when the original drawing was made.
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Interesting. You are the second collector I've met who collects cards of fighters with the same surname that are not related to him.
Close, but no banana. Basil Galiano.
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Fitzsimmons and O'Brien...
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Interesting piece. Took forever to arrive, but very happy to add to my wall.
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Thanks, Rob. I knew but forgot about Fitz.

For today, heres a new one:



I've not seen this Trinidad y Hnos premium before, so I did a classic double-take when it popped up on eBay for ten bucks BIN. Only downside is that it smells like a mold sandwich served in a dirty ashtray, but once it airs out sufficiently it will be a nice add to my collection.
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