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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: David Goff
After months of contemplating, I've started collecting Pre-war cards again. Mainly, because I want my 3yr old son to get a head start. Well, that's what I tell my wife anyway. The question I have is I wanted to start purchasing some Old Judge's, but I have run across some that have a pinkish tint to them. Is this common due to age or are they meant to have this feature. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: davidcycleback
Old Judges images can come in different color, most commonly pink. It was intentional and in fact the technology to add dye during the photo process was invented in the 1880s. For whatever reason, pink dye was the easiest to do. The other colors are rare. The pink ones often have bad image quality so there is no price premium. Often they are priced less than the regular sepia. Other colors will have a premium due to rarity. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Jay
David--What tint colors carry a premium? What are you talking about? |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: David Goff
This is what I was referring to...borrowed this off of ebay |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: barrysloate
The number one thing Old Judge collectors look for is the quality of the photo. Because the pink tinted ones generally have lighter photos, they are less desirable. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: davidcycleback
As mentioned, the main thing with the pink ones is the images often have bad contrast (faded away), so you have to be conscious of that when purchasing a pink one. This one might be somewhat light, but looks okay-- though maybe not for the high grade given. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: David Goff
Would the of color of this card be due to age? Again, borrowed this pic from eBay. I hope no one minds me doing this...just trying to get a feel for these cards. To me, Old Judge and Pre-war cards in general represent the true meaning of baseball. Love 'em! |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: davidcycle
The common sepia is due to age. The images were originally closer to black and white, though had some light color to them. A couple of years ago, BMW cards pulled one or two N172 cards from unopened packs, and they had the original, non-sepia colors. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: barrysloate
While sunlight can ruin a photograph, I doubt sunlight or age was a factor. Old Judges were mass produced and the negatives were used over and over. That is my guess as to why some of them are light; they started out that way. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: barrysloate
David- that's interesting. Albumen comes from an egg, so that's why they are called albumen photos. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: davidcycle
Barry, I agree with you that the Old Judges were mass produced commercial items and many may have started off light or otherwise off. They were making loads of these photo cards, and I'm sure their production standards were far from perfect. The T206s, as a more modern example, come with all sorts of production errors-- off colors, misprints, ghosts, etc. Sometimes you wonder if the T206 printing factory was next to a saloon. Though the natural aging no doubt contributes greatly to the Old Judge images. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: joe
David, this is the quality of the photo you should look for in Old Judge cards. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Matt
Joe - even with the blurry scan, the quality on that OJ is incredible! |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: joe
Thanks Matt, I know I have to re-scan the cards. There is some trick when they are slabbed. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: JimB
Hey Joe, |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: David Goff
Hey Joe..I just love the fake backgrounds in those OJ cards. Awesome card!! (Actually calling you bad names under my breath...only becasue I'am jealous..lol) |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Fred C
David, |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Joe_G.
To summarize this and past discussions, the following can be stated: |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Joe_G.
Here is an example of 3 1887 Old Judges, all of them likely started life with similar image qualities. Excessive exposure to the elements (light) has taken it's toll. Best Regards, Joe Gonsowski |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Aaron Conyers
Here is an example with the pink tint. The pink tint looks like a layer, notice where the pink begins and ends on the bottom corners. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: boxingcardman
I have a few on my site: |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Fred C
Here are a few examples of some pinks. The Healy has great image quality but it also has a huge crease. The Flint portrait is typical as far as the faint image is concerned. There is an example of a "normal" tone Werrick next to a pink toned Werrick. |
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
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An Old Judge question..
Posted By: Anonymous
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