Heritage is pathetic!

[DJR]

Lot 81010

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/19...a/7120-81010.s

''NOTE: This is a legitimate 30-card cello and not a fabricated 10-card "grocery" cello pack.''

and the next lot in the auction...

Lot 81011

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/19...a/7120-81011.s

''Great potential pay off if you have the nerve.''

[Econteachert205]

I lol'd

[bnorth]

That is funny. The guy at Heritage who wrote the descriptions will get a talking to about outing the grocery pack as fake.

The sad part is grading a fake pack wasn't even the worst thing GAI done that day. Anybody that buys their garbage gets what they deserve.

[JollyElm]

Sorry, I need background info. What are the specific problems here?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Sorry, I need background info. What are the specific problems here?

In lot 81010 The description says the Grocery packs are fake.
Lot 81011 Is a Grocery pack.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by bnorth

In lot 81010 The description says the Grocery packs are fake.
Lot 81011 Is a Grocery pack.

I too am confused on what the problem is. Lot 81010 does not say the Grocery packs are fake. It says they were fabricated. When I read that I thought it meant they weren't distributed by topps, but rather made by a third party around the time for distribution in a Grocery store, similar to Christmas Rack packs.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I too am confused on what the problem is. Lot 81010 does not say the Grocery packs are fake. It says they were fabricated. When I read that I thought it meant they weren't distributed by topps, but rather made by a third party around the time for distribution in a Grocery store, similar to Christmas Rack packs.

fab·ri·cate
/ˈfabrəˌkāt/
verb
past tense: fabricated; past participle: fabricated
invent or concoct (something), typically with deceitful intent.
"officers fabricated evidence"
synonyms: falsify, fake, counterfeit, cook;

Google Topps Grocery cello pack. Plenty of sources saying they are fake, not a single one saying they are a real Topps product.

[Griffins]

tons of legit GAI slabbed packs out there, but when Ryan Rutter took over pack grading he slabbed a bunch of grocery cellos that were created by someone other than Topps, long after the date of issue- and probably just a few weeks before they were authenticated.
Many of these popped up being offered by one ebay seller in PA that ended up being shut down for fraud, IIRC. In any case there are no legit grocery cellos from that era, slabbed or not.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by bnorth

fab·ri·cate
/ˈfabrəˌkāt/
verb
past tense: fabricated; past participle: fabricated
invent or concoct (something), typically with deceitful intent.
"officers fabricated evidence"
synonyms: falsify, fake, counterfeit, cook;

Google Topps Grocery cello pack. Plenty of sources saying they are fake, not a single one saying they are a real Topps product.

HAHA. You did not get that without reading all the definitions and picking out the one that best suited your argument.

That is one possible definition. There is also:

" construct, manufacture; specifically : to construct from diverse and usually standardized parts".

I will accept that there aren't any legit packs from 1971 that were fabricated by grocery stores, thus the "grocery" pack is a fake. Yet for us that don't know anything about packs there was nothing so telling in the two descriptions to lead to that conclusion.

[Econteachert205]

Isn't it to be inferred in the first description that by calling the first pack "legitimate" that the grocery packs would then be illegitimate and suggest the definition of fabricate that implies impropriety?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

HAHA. You did not get that without reading all the definitions and picking out the one that best suited your argument.

That is one possible definition. There is also:

" construct, manufacture; specifically : to construct from diverse and usually standardized parts".

I will accept that there aren't any legit packs from 1971 that were fabricated by grocery stores, thus the "grocery" pack is a fake. Yet for us that don't know anything about packs there was nothing so telling in the two descriptions to lead to that conclusion.

No, actually it was the first one that popped up on google.

EDIT to copy/paste full description from lot 81010
1971 Topps Baseball Cello Pack GAI NM-MT 8 With Torre on Front. NOTE: This is a legitimate 30-card cello and not a fabricated 10-card "grocery" cello pack.

Offered is an unopened 1971 Topps Baseball Cello Pack graded GAI NM-MT 8. Based on top/bottom cards, this is a 3rd Series cello with the potential for a Mint or Gem MT card of Morgan. Foster RC, Jenkins, Brooks Robinson, Marichal, World Series cards, B. Williams, Rollie Fingers and Ted Williams. Guide Value or Estimate: $500 - up.

[bnorth]

We all make mistakes. It is what we do afterwards that lets people know what kind of person/business we are. I sent Heritage a message informing them about their mistake, lets see what they do.

[ALR-bishop]

I have been married 40 years and my wife says I am a very slow learner in regard to my mistakes

[autograf]

Maybe she's just a showoff.....that is, learning so quickly from hers.......

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have been married 40 years and my wife says I am a very slow learner in regard to my mistakes

My wife of 16 years says the same thing about me.

I figured instead of just complaining, alerting the auction company to this mistake was a better route. Even though I will still complain about it.LOL

[petecld]

The “Grocery Cello” pack has been removed from the auction. Our catalog auctions are produced over several months with different catalogers writing lots and I simply missed this one during catalog production. I am only human and I do (will) make mistakes, but I promise to try to keep them to a bare minimum. Thank you to the two people who had the courtesy to contact Heritage directly about this asking for an explanation and did not take the opportunity to jump to conclusions.