If the Redskins change their name, how will it affect the collecting hobby?

[Footballdude]

Just curious what peoples thoughts are on this. If they do wind up changing the name because the word "Redskins" is deemed offensive will auction houses and places like ebay still allow the word to be attached to items being sold? Will the word have to be blacked out in pictures of, say, vintage Redskin programs? Will everything with the printed word "Redskins" have to be burned or destroyed? Will the Hall of fame have to change the plaques of Sammy Baugh, and any other Washington players by striking the name Redskins from them?

[clydepepper]

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[cubsfan-budman]

IMHO, they won't change things from the past, destroy any records, etc. For better or worse, that (was/is?) the name of the team and they'll keep it that way.

On a related topic, I think that Snyder knows he's wrong and fully intends to change the name. I think that he has to put up a fight in order to keep a certain segment of the fans happy, but will change it in order to placate the masses.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

On a related topic, I think that Snyder knows he's wrong and fully intends to change the name. I think that he has to put up a fight in order to keep a certain segment of the fans happy, but will change it in order to placate the masses.

The masses halve already spoken and oppose a name change. There was a poll on MSN back in June and an overwhelming 82% said the Redskins should keep their name. Only 13% were in favor of a name change. I am in the 82%.

[packs]

I see both sides and ultimately I do think the name has some offensive overtones. However, I don't think the name is being used in an offensive way. As in I don't think their use of "Redskins" is an attempt to be derogatory towards Native Americans.

Honestly I don't know why there isn't equal uproar about the Braves, Chiefs, and Indians. "Indian" is seen as a derogatory slur now too, that's why we say Native American. Chief and Brave could be argued the same way. Look at Chief Bender, Meyers, etc.

However, The main point for me is that these names weren't intended to be negative. That doesn't change the way people view them, but I think sentiment is important.

[clydepepper]

People need to toughen-up. Words are just that words.

Like most Dogs, I respond to the TONE of what is being said.

Humans should respond to the CONTEXT within which the word is being used.

BRAVES & CHIEFS are honorable titles in just about any context I can think of.

When Cleveland had a farm team here, we had to change the name to REDSTIXX and virtually nobody knew the meaning. ( 'Native' Americans used them for signaling. )

'Native Americans' needs to be changed to 'Earlier Americans' since us late-arriving, party-crashing Europeans wiped them out (aka 'genocide')

so there you go...IMHO

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

On a related topic, I think that Snyder knows he's wrong...

Where in the world did you pull that one from?

David - +1 As a long-time Cowboys fan, I can't imagine playing the Washington Native Americans.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Where in the world did you pull that one from?

David - +1 As a long-time Cowboys fan, I can't imagine playing the Washington Native Americans.

Snyder (or his "neighbor") has already trademarked the Washington Bravehearts.

You are correct that the percentage is in favor of keeping the name, but that support is declining rapidly. Down to 71%...and will continue to drop (IMHO) as people become educated about the issue.

The change is a foregone conclusion, in my estimation and Snyder knows it. Good for him.

From a business standpoint, it's pretty shrewd.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

Snyder (or his "neighbor") has already trademarked the Washington Bravehearts.

You are correct that the percentage is in favor of keeping the name, but that support is declining rapidly. Down to 71%...and will continue to drop (IMHO) as people become educated about the issue.

The change is a foregone conclusion, in my estimation and Snyder knows it. Good for him.

From a business standpoint, it's pretty shrewd.

I have to disagree with you on this - the Redskins did everything possible to avoid changing their name and made plenty of mistakes during the 'battle' to avoid it. From a business standpoint, I think they missed opportunities to take this with vaseline. Any decline in percentage of disagreement has nothing to do with education, and everything to do with the bandwagon effect once it became a foregone conclusion. Still, 71% is huge - good for those people.

I'm out of this one, as it's gotten so spinny I'm getting dizzy.

[HalChaseCollector]

As someone who is 1/2 Native American I feel that I can speak comfortably on this issue. Until the recent uproar I did not really have a big problem with the team name redskins. It was just a name, why did it matter? But then my grandmother explained to me that when she was growing up kids would verbally abuse her and redskin was one of the insults they threw at her. I find it offensive as part of the Native American culture when redskin fans dress up with feathers on their head and red paint on their face. Change it to something that doesn't have a negative connotation. Do it like Florida state and have real native Americans at the games representing their culture.

[digdugdig]

Just more fuel convincing me that the words "politically" and "correct" should never be associated with each other.

[packs]

I would encourage anyone interested in what life on a reservation is like today to read any of Sherman Alexie's work. He is a Native American and grew up on a reservation. I think you will see that we have not made any real strides in righting our wrongs and life in America as a Native American is quite hard.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

I would encourage anyone interested in what life on a reservation is like today to read any of Sherman Alexie's work. He is a Native American and grew up on a reservation. I think you will see that we have not made any real strides in righting our wrongs and life in America as a Native American is quite hard.

There are reasons why things are the way they are and there are usually 3 sides to every story. Mostly, today, it seems their problems come from poor education and therefore enormous unemployment. I am not sure whose fault that is but I have an idea (and it usually stares at someone in the mirror). I will just leave it as this site below says...I think it is informative.... Back to the topic for a moment, my guess is that public opinion sways the Redskin management greatly and whichever way that turns so will they. Again, just my opinion on these things, I could be wrong.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/America...rrent_problems


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[packs]

In my opinion the plight of Native Americans is a direct result of the actions of the US Government.

From that article and just a small sample:

The government in the 1990s promised high financial and economic rewards to the tribes who would agree to the storage of toxic and radioactive waste on their reservation land for several decades. Many American Indians (mainly those of the poorer reservations like the Mescalero-Apache) were tempted by the money and were not aware of the consequences for their health, their environment and life base, which makes the barriers to the reservations' development even more unbreakable.