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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
Some threads over the weekend suggested that a few cards, such as the T207 Lowdermilk and T3's with Turkey Red ad backs, are not really as rare as their reputations. Two cards which I feel are overrated are: |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: John S
Underrated:E270's in general |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter ullman
barry...if you're going to include the hoblitzel and the lajoie...why not add the o'hara and demmit t206's to the list...they seem to show up as frequently or more than the hoblitzell no stats. I still consider the lajoie a hobby rarity. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- you can add anything you want to the list, as this is just a survey. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
With the advent of the Internet, and especially Ebay, we have to modify our "old school" thinking |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I find George C. Millers to be overrated, in general. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Keith O'Leary
I agree with Al on the 1921 Herpolsheimers. All 1 of 1 cards.
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Jay
Keith--I agree. Herpolsheimer cards are very undervalued, especially the stars. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Bruce: |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Chad
I think I'll keep my R308 in the plastic from now on. And I'd agree that R308's are damn near impossible to find in high grade. I'd love to see a PSA 6 on one of those. I imagine the image on a PSA 6 one would be outstanding. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Nothing like the thought of a little 70-year-old DNA on your cards to wreck your lunch, eh? |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Jerry
How about Lections without bullet holes. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Darren
Good thread. I agree with the t205's and t206's noted thus far. I'd add the t206 George Brown Washington variation to the list. There also seems to more than expected 1933 tatoo orbit blaeholders and hadley's out there. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: warshawlaw
Overrated: |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: dan mckee
GC Millers are tough uncancelled. When speaking of rare, are we speaking of a particular card or of a condition of a card? I think condition should not matter when saying a rare card. A T206 Elberfeld Fielding is common as dirt but I imagine that card graded a 9 is rare? A few overrated rarities to me are the Tattoo Orbit Andrews and Blaeholder short prints that old schoolers considered tough. Yes Lowdermilk is way overrated it seems. With the Lajoie, I bet a lot of the examples you keep seeing are recycled through auction houses hence it is not as plentiful as you may think. Dan. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
Dan- I agree that many of the Lajoies are recycled, and I wonder why they aren't held longer? There are collectors who after they pick up a rarity will keep it forever. But the Lajoie seems to not have a very long shelf life with collectors. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: JimB
Adam, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: dan mckee
The one that sold in Sothebys a few years back in a holder hasn't been recycled and has a nice home in my Goudey set. It has left the plastic tomb and found its way into the proper position in the 9 pocket sheet. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Joe D.
I think the green cobb is harder to find because it is more 'likeable' -- and not necessarily because there are fewer of them. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter chao
Dan, Barry, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
someone mentioned demmitt & o'hara? i think if anything, they are UNDER-RATED. they are nearly impossible to find in mid-high grade, advanced collectors know truly how tuff they are to find...scot reader actually places them ahead of Magie for tuffness. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: dan mckee
Grades aside, Magie is much tougher than Demmit and O'Hara. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
hi dan, i was surprised too, but maybe Scot could elaborate on his findings. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
I've handled several Planks but hardly any Magies. Are the Magies tougher? |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You are absolutely correct.....Barry's original question on "RARITY" should be |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Anonymous
I think that your thinking about this all wrong. T206 and T205 are collected in abundance. Many collect them as a set. Ofcourse any T208 or E222 or anyother ultra rarity will appear undervalued in comparison to the "rarities" from t205 or T207(or the lajoie Goudey card). But these are mainstream sets collected by so many, and therefore were back to supply and demand. Ofcourse theres more Hoblitzel no stats then the price should dictate, but theres a lot of t205 collectors. In a matter of speaking, nothing is overvalued or undervalued, its value is what is assigned to it by the buyers as a whole. You cant just factor rarity, theres other things at play here. Namely, how many collectors are interested in said card. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Marty
The last Mastro auction had a PSA 4 Lajoie in it. I bought the card from the person who had it graded, I sold it to another dealer who sold it to a collector. This took about 3 years total time. I think that there are many collectors that want to say that they have owned a card, but the price of keeping it is pretty high, so they sell and move on. They may also see the the cards have sold for much higher than what they paid. This card in a 4 has sold in the mid 20's in the past year or so. The last one sold for about 15K pluse juice. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter chao
Marty, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Richard Masson
No one has bashed the e90-1 Mitchell yet. I have seen multiple copies of the "Honus Wagner of Caramel Cards" offered for sale over the past decade, but very few Walsh or McLean cards. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: E, Daniel
Funny, there are some cards I wouldn't want to own for more than a couple of days......but oh for one or two sleepless nights with a 14' Baltimore Ruth. After that, the guilt associated with having so much money tied up in a card when there are kids educations to be paid for, mortgages to service, and bathrooms to remodel (imagine the sickening feeling if it were to expire in flames or flood) would leave me too angst ridden to go about daily life. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter chao
Richard, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Bob
An underrated rarity is the E97 Briggs Keeler. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
The E90-1 Mitchell is a perfect example. While nobody questions it is scarce, it is not the toughest card in the E90-1 set. It lives on its reputation. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
In the 1970's and early '80s both these cards were considered very rare, and that drove up their prices, as |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: warshawlaw
I interpreted the question as one of rarity of existence (which is my main concern), not condition rarity. I do not believe that they are equivalents because they attract different people. Some cards are plain old rarities; you are lucky to find them. Other cards are common but hardly ever found in really nice shape. I prefer to acknowledge both in my boxing guide by noting which sets are rare and which cards are condition rarities from common sets. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- the 1954 Bowman Williams is another card that hasn't proven to be as rare as once thought. I'm pretty sure I remember Larry Fritsch telling the story that as a kid in 1954, he bought a pack of Bowmans and all five cards were Williams! |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You willll appreciate this more than most, but in 30+ yrs of collecting, I have actually seen, or held, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
concerning the question about mr. o'hara & mr. demmitt...becasue of only being printed with Polar Bear backs, they are tuff to find in high grade, this is true, but the mere fact that they were ONLY printed with one brand makes them tuff cards to find regardless...coupled with the fact that their St.L team designations were short printed... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Joann
The Black & White E97's are usually thought of as rare, but they come up in nearly every auction and are on ebay fairly regularly. I don't know about cards within the set, but you see a lot more E97 BW's than, say, E107 etc. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: dennis
barry you are correct about the fritsch story......but not sure if it was 5 or 3 in the same pack? |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: steve
The S74 silks in high grade HOF'ers are way tough - both colored and with backing varieties. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Bob
Joann- For some reason the b&w e97s seem to never stay very long in one place. I think collectors may be buying them to flip them as I seem to see the same ones selling over the year. I think they are pretty scarce though as I have only ever seen one Keeler, one Kelly, etc. I own the Carrigan and one other (player escapes me now) and I have only ever seen one other Carrigan and one other of the other player. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Ted is right about the Graziano Leaf. I collect the set and not only have I never even seen one but not a single registry set even has one included. Can that be said for ANY other pre-or post war, commonly collected set in any sport? |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Joann
Bob - now that I think about it, you're right. I do see the same E97 BW's sell repeatedly. Maybe they are more rare than I was thinking. I have a Rossman, and haven't seen another. But the Doolan, Austin and a few others I can't think of I've seen a few times so they probably are all the same card. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: warshawlaw
2, one in person and one in a picture. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
Part of the problem of determining rarity is the reappearance of the same card again and again, and the difficulty in tracking it. I guess some percentage are bought purely for investment, so those are going to come back up for sale as soon as the seller feels he can make a profit. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Jim Dale
For a total and complete newbie to vintage this is a really wonderful thread. Learning a lot.... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
My reply to your..... |
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