Aaron Judge Free Agency Points To Consider

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Judge has had a couple of nice years but he isn't in the same league as Bonds as a player.

Judge would be 100% better in the clubhouse than Bonds was, remember the Barcolounger, the clubhouse is where championships are won. I'd love to have him and Rizzo but there's no way he's signing a 2 year 17 mil deal with the Giants or anyone else, anything past that is money wasted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Judge would be 100% better in the clubhouse than Bonds was, remember the Barcolounger, the clubhouse is where championships are won. I'd love to have him and Rizzo but there's no way he's signing a 2 year 17 mil deal with the Giants or anyone else, anything past that is money wasted.

I dunno, plenty of dysfunctional teams have won, I always thought that stuff was overrated.

[ullmandds]

I certainly hope the yankees can keep him...maybe sign him to a bobby bonilla type of deal where he gets paid for decades so the yankees can spend more $$$$ elsewhere? Give him ownership???? On the other hand...due to his size...and vulnerability to injury...and the fact that every high $$$$ long term contract the yankees have paid out to an aging superstar...has been a mistake...imo.

If not NY...I hope he goes home to SF.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I certainly hope the yankees can keep him...maybe sign him to a bobby bonilla type of deal where he gets paid for decades so the yankees can spend more $$$$ elsewhere? Give him ownership???? On the other hand...due to his size...and vulnerability to injury...and the fact that every high $$$$ long term contract the yankees have paid out to an aging superstar...has been a mistake...imo.

If not NY...I hope he goes home to SF.

I could just see him getting his picture in the dictionary next to "chronic oblique strain." I hope not, nothing at all to dislike about the man, but I could see it.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I dunno, plenty of dysfunctional teams have won, I always thought that stuff was overrated.

Clubhouses these days are too functional. Bring back dysfunctional. Only Mets teams of my life that were any good were guys were literally brawling at the buffet table and taking swings at each other on planes. Functional clubhouses are overrated. Think Reggie, George and Billy Martin.

[packs]

I don't know how this idea that he'd sign with the Giants has gained so much steam. How could it be seen as anything other than a big step backwards for him? He hasn't won a championship with the Yankees yet. Signing with the Giants doesn't get him closer to one. It moves him much farther away.

[JustinD]

Somewhat agree with the chance of San Fran, but still think there is no way he leaves New York.

He’s a bit of a one-trick pony like Bonds…he hits home runs. His Defense is not atrocious, but certainly not stellar. He’s going to a team with a short porch so he can stay relevant. He’s definitely not going to Fenway unless he wants to alienate NY completely, so New York is the logic.

He would excel in Colorado, but no chance. San Fran is the only other reasonable big city choice that would pay for a Bonds type for ticket sales.

Throw him in Comerica Field and he drops to maybe 40ish homers at best. My bet is on staying or a 15% chance of Giants.

[packs]

The only rationale I’ve heard for him signing with the Giants is that they’re his “hometown” team. Judge was drafted by the A’s and didn’t sign. Has there been any indication his perspective on hometown teams changed?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Somewhat agree with the chance of San Fran, but still think there is no way he leaves New York.

He’s a bit of a one-trick pony like Bonds…he hits home runs. His Defense is not atrocious, but certainly not stellar. He’s going to a team with a short porch so he can stay relevant. He’s definitely not going to Fenway unless he wants to alienate NY completely, so New York is the logic.

He would excel in Colorado, but no chance. San Fran is the only other reasonable big city choice that would pay for a Bonds type for ticket sales.

Throw him in Comerica Field and he drops to maybe 40ish homers at best. My bet is on staying or a 15% chance of Giants.

Check out Judge's Home/Road splits. Being a right handed hitter in Yankee Stadium didn't help him in the slightest.

Judge didn't hit any cheapies. I believe he projected for 61 HR's based on the average dimensions of all major league parks and his HR distances and placements.

Now if you made the same argument about Anthony Rizzo, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

[D. Bergin]

If the Yankees do lose him, it's going to go back to Cashman making the negotiations with him public last year.

While I thought it was a fair offer at the time given Judge's age and injury history, it was in poor taste for Cashman to take it public, and it could very well bite him in the ass after Judge's "See, I told you so" season he just had.

At this point, I'm not even sure money's going to be the main motivator with Judge. At a certain point hundreds of millions of dollars, is hundreds of millions of dollars, no matter the variance of top and bottom offers. Even if the Yankees offered him less then somebody else, the endorsement opportunities are obviously more lucrative playing for New York.

It might just come down to the cliche of "Respect".

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by JustinD

He’s a bit of a one-trick pony like Bonds…

I don't know that calling Bonds a "one-trick pony" is accurate. He hit .298 for his career, walked more than anyone in history, won 8 gold gloves, and stole over 500 bases in his career.

[G1911]

If Bonds was a one trick pony, then everyone in baseball history is. Gold Glove defense, excellent to great contact/on base, Top 50 all time in steals. What do people want to not be a one trick pony?

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

I don't know that calling Bonds a "one-trick pony" is accurate. He hit .298 for his career, walked more than anyone in history, won 8 gold gloves, and stole over 500 bases in his career.

Apologies, I kept that comment too brief and it was a bad comparison. I was thinking at the end of his time with the giants and his career when it was a bit of a home run watch. Admittedly, it was a crap comparison…just had giants on the mind.

I completely dislike Bonds, but he is correctly as good as stated.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Clubhouses these days are too functional. Bring back dysfunctional. Only Mets teams of my life that were any good were guys were literally brawling at the buffet table and taking swings at each other on planes. Functional clubhouses are overrated. Think Reggie, George and Billy Martin.

Reggie of course was the first thing that came to my mind. Add Munson to that mix too.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Reggie of course was the first thing that came to my mind. Add Munson to that mix too.

I am not a fan of indiscriminate brawling in baseball, but sort of bothers me that the Mets had so many guys hit by pitches this year and not one guy charged the mound. Not once. I know the game has changed a lot, but I would have liked to have seen a little more fire. I suspect after Kevin Mitchell would have gotten hit 4 or 5 times there might have been a little pay back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I am not a fan of indiscriminate brawling in baseball, but sort of bothers me that the Mets had so many guys hit by pitches this year and not one guy charged the mound. Not once. I know the game has changed a lot, but I would have liked to have seen a little more fire. I suspect after Kevin Mitchell would have gotten hit 4 or 5 times there might have been a little pay back.

You could almost always count on Pedro to pay it back whenever a Red Sox player was hit if there was any question of inentinality. Now guys are probably just calculating the impact quotient of the HBP based on the velocity of the ball and the batter's BMI.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

...Now guys are probably just calculating the impact quotient of the HBP based on the velocity of the ball and the batter's BMI.

This is simultaneously hilarious and saddening.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I am not a fan of indiscriminate brawling in baseball, but sort of bothers me that the Mets had so many guys hit by pitches this year and not one guy charged the mound. Not once. I know the game has changed a lot, but I would have liked to have seen a little more fire. I suspect after Kevin Mitchell would have gotten hit 4 or 5 times there might have been a little pay back.

+1 agree
Not like the old days with charging the mound or your teams pitcher throwing at or behind the others teams best player as retaliation

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I am not a fan of indiscriminate brawling in baseball, but sort of bothers me that the Mets had so many guys hit by pitches this year and not one guy charged the mound. Not once. I know the game has changed a lot, but I would have liked to have seen a little more fire. I suspect after Kevin Mitchell would have gotten hit 4 or 5 times there might have been a little pay back.

I think those days are gone sadly. All the leagues have cracked down so much that it took the fire out of them. That and fighting is all but gone in youth leagues and college so those coming up will lose the ability to play with suspensions if they do.

What the sports world needs now is more Bob Probert and less pearl clutching, lol.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think those days are gone sadly. All the leagues have cracked down so much that it took the fire out of them. That and fighting is all but gone in youth leagues and college so those coming up will lose the ability to play with suspensions if they do.

What the sports world needs now is more Bob Probert and less pearl clutching, lol.

Bob Probation reference, love it!