JT Realmuto HOF'er?

todeen · #1 05-19-2023, 05:10 PM

Do you think JT Realmuto is a HOF'er? He has been top 5 OPS since 2016, and top 2 since 2019; and last year he was the first 20/20 catcher since Ivan Rodriguez in 1999. He also has two GG and three silver sluggers, so he is being honored by voters for his accomplishments.

I bring this up because some MLB writers already passing the crown to Rutschman.

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G1911 · #2 05-19-2023, 05:41 PM

No

D. Bergin · #3 05-19-2023, 06:08 PM

I think he's a real longshot. Likely he falls into Jorge Posada / Lance Parrish territory by the time his career is over.

cgjackson222 · #4 05-19-2023, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by todeen

Do you think JT Realmuto is a HOF'er? He has been top 5 OPS since 2016, and top 2 since 2019; and last year he was the first 20/20 catcher since Ivan Rodriguez in 1999. He also has two GG and three silver sluggers, so he is being honored by voters for his accomplishments.

I bring this up because some MLB writers already passing the crown to Rutschman.

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He has been top 5 in OPS since 2016 and top 2 in OPS since 2019? Top 2 on his team? I'm not sure where these numbers are coming from.

Guy has a career OPS of 114--not great. But if he has 3 or 4 more years like he did in 2022, sure its a definite possibility.

D. Bergin · #5 05-19-2023, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222

He has been top 5 in OPS since 2016 and top 2 in OPS since 2019? Top 2 on his team? I'm not sure where these numbers are coming from.

Guy has a career OPS of 114--not great. But if he has 3 or 4 more years like he did in 2022, sure its a definite possibility.

I didn't look it up, but I assume he means from a Catcher.

cgjackson222 · #6 05-19-2023, 06:50 PM

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I didn't look it up, but I assume he means from a Catcher.

Oh, if that is the case, I am not sure top 5 OPS for a catcher is major accomplishment.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-19-2023, 08:20 PM

The way it keeps getting diluted, I guess anything is possible, but with Posey and Molina going in that should satisfy the demand for catchers for many years I would think.

cgjackson222 · #8 05-19-2023, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The way it keeps getting diluted, I guess anything is possible, but with Posey and Molina going in that should satisfy the demand for catchers for many years I would think.

Do you think Molina getting in is a foregone conclusion? I know he is an amazing fielder, but an OPS+ of 96?

Posey won ROY, MVP, a batting title, and 3 World Series, so I think he has a better case.

todeen · #9 05-20-2023, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222

He has been top 5 in OPS since 2016 and top 2 in OPS since 2019? Top 2 on his team? I'm not sure where these numbers are coming from.

Guy has a career OPS of 114--not great. But if he has 3 or 4 more years like he did in 2022, sure its a definite possibility.

I was looking at OPS of starting catchers on Baseball-Reference.com. Since 2018, he has averaged .820. That has placed him #1 or #2 along all starting catchers.

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todeen · #10 05-20-2023, 10:18 PM

Looking at all of your comments, here is my thinking.... I was trying to make a list of generational catchers since 1990.

1990s: Mike Piazza & Ivan Rodriguez
2000s: Joe Mauer
2010s: Buster Posey & Yadier Molina
2020s (so far): JT Realmuto

One argument for the HOF is peak performance compared to peers. Right now Realmuto has been the best offensive catcher for 5 years. Players at other positions start to get noticed around this time, and if their peak lasts 7-10 years they generally are in strong consideration for the Hall.

I do know that catchers have longevity problems. Reds have had a few who were one season wonders before getting derailed by injuries. But I'm rooting for Realmuto. His 20/20 season last year should have been the offensive story of the Phillies, but he was overshadowed by Harper playing with his elbow injury. He really helped last years WS team tremendously.

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mrreality68 · #11 05-21-2023, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by todeen

Looking at all of your comments, here is my thinking.... I was trying to make a list of generational catchers since 1990.

1990s: Mike Piazza & Ivan Rodriguez
2000s: Joe Mauer
2010s: Buster Posey & Yadier Molina
2020s (so far): JT Realmuto

One argument for the HOF is peak performance compared to peers. Right now Realmuto has been the best offensive catcher for 5 years. Players at other positions start to get noticed around this time, and if their peak lasts 7-10 years they generally are in strong consideration for the Hall.

I do know that catchers have longevity problems. Reds have had a few who were one season wonders before getting derailed by injuries. But I'm rooting for Realmuto. His 20/20 season last year should have been the offensive story of the Phillies, but he was overshadowed by Harper playing with his elbow injury. He really helped last years WS team tremendously.

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Sadly to me you can not use the generational catcher argument if the period is not strong with catchers. His peak period is not very strong compared to other generational catchers.

Good player not great just his contemporaries are often one hit wonders like Gary Sanchez

todeen · #12 05-25-2023, 07:11 PM

Article stating that Statcast ranks Realmuto as the best skills catcher in MLB. He has the best transfer time, second fastest throw, and is third in caught stealing percentage. He leads in put outs since 2016, 118 vs 81 for second place Martin Maldonado.

Check out this story from Fox Sports
https://foxsports.onelink.me/SY6x/99uvp0ue

Which by the way, JT Realmuto does not have a RC shield on his card. He was only released in Topps Update and High Series Heritage in 2015. But in 2014, Donruss had a RC card shield for him.

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Peter_Spaeth · #13 05-25-2023, 07:18 PM

I don't follow your point? If his RC is in 2014 you wouldn't expect his 2015 cards to be designated RCs?

G1911 · #14 05-25-2023, 07:31 PM

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I don't follow your point? If his RC is in 2014 you wouldn't expect his 2015 cards to be designated RCs?

I believe Topps marks rookies only considering other Topps cards and nobody else; they don’t care if Panini or Upper Deck or whoever makes a card first. Thus, it’s an error.

Peter_Spaeth · #15 05-25-2023, 07:42 PM

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I believe Topps marks rookies only considering other Topps cards and nobody else; they don’t care if Panini or Upper Deck or whoever makes a card first. Thus, it’s an error.

I thought MLB determined the criteria for the RC logo. What Topps cards are designated RC where another manufacturer printed one with an RC logo in an earlier year? I can't think of any player with cards from different years both with the logo. Or are you saying only Topps is allowed to use an official logo?

G1911 · #16 05-25-2023, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I thought MLB determined the criteria for the RC logo. What Topps cards are designated RC where another manufacturer printed one with an RC logo in an earlier year? I can't think of any player with cards from different years both with the logo. Or are you saying only Topps is allowed to use an official logo?

No. I said that when Topps applies the logo, meeting the MLB rules that it comes after a players first game, they apply it to the players first year Topps cards. I don’t think they track if a player appeared in Panini or Upper Deck Goodwin or whatever first. Thus, the poster is highlighting the oddity. That’s it.