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Yes. | 25 | 40.32% | |
Sometimes. | 2 | 3.23% | |
Sort of. | 6 | 9.68% | |
No. | 26 | 41.94% | |
Dunno. Can't say. | 1 | 1.61% | |
All of the above. | 2 | 3.23% | |
Some of the above. | 0 | 0% | |
None of the above. | 0 | 0% | |
I don't understand. Could you repeat the question? | 0 | 0% | |
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Do you care about the authenticity guaranty provided by grading companies?
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I voted NO because they do their best to not honor it so for the most part it is almost worthless anyway. Plus in the real world I have noticed there is a WAY bigger chance of a graded card being altered than a raw one being altered. There is a WAY bigger reward for getting an altered card into a slab than altering one to keep raw.
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I don't because if I am buying a slabbed card, I typically free the card from the tomb and place it in a binder with the rest of his friends.
Even when I get some slabbed, which is so very infrequent and in the past, they were modern cards and I was moving them to buy other cards anyway. Now that PSA has sucked up SGC, I am reasonably sure I won't be getting any cards slabbed moving forward. I do have autographed cards but I send them to CAS to get authenticated and placed in a holder. That is about it for me. Butch
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This thread was moved from the watercooler section to get some more votes, plus it definitely fits into pre-war as well as other niches...
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Nope because once in a holder it's liquid gold....card doesn't matter it's the label.
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I voted no as I generally collect sets I am familiar with...and the guaranty does not provide much value to me. The bigger issue for me is "micro-trimming" as I generally buy ungraded cards. That is a more significant issue
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What are the specific guarantees of each grading card company?
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You can stick my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take your word for it.
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I have bought two cards that went through this process. One was a rare graded Topps 1955 Hocus Focus card. I was not worried about the authentcity of the item and did not care at all about the garde. Since I have the 55 Hocus Focus set minus one "common" I am sure I have handled more 55 Hocus Focus cards than whoever authenticated it.
The other was an ungraded variant of a major Topps 1955 card. I was not worried about authenticity but seller was required to send it. Got notice of sending, receipt and resending, Ironically although ungraded it came to me in a sealed holder with authenticity sticker. Since it fit in a larger pocket page that would fit in my binder with my ungraded set( 4 pocket), I kept it that way. Not sure what additional risk is involved in addional handling and mailing after the sale. The time delay was not an issue for me but I guess could be in some cases |
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I voted NO because I am not involved in any way with card grading...I don't have any, don't want any, don't care if they increase the value, don't care if my cards are trimmed, doctored, or fake. It's just not my thing.
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What company if any besides PSA still provides an actual guarantee? I think for the vast majority of the other graders it's a moot point.
PSA if you sub for a review and they decide your vintage 8 is actually a 6 - they will pay you out the market difference (or perhaps try to buy you off with coupons and free subs...) but at least it's something.
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The only successful time I have seen someone work the guarantee was board members Raulus about his PSA 54 Mays. And if I remember correctly , that took multiple contacts and a long time to get resolved. |
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Anyone ever get a grading company to refund if they graded a reprint card as original? |
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Yes, ironically SGC is the only one with "Guarantee" actually in their name. I think they had something on paper back in the 90's and early 2000's, but Peter is right - it's long gone now.
I voted that it's not important to me either. Slabs are for the most part nice holders that come with an opinion. They sell for more because of the opinion, but people need to realize how much it's really just an opinion, and not the end-all, be-all pronouncement of your card's worth forevermore.
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Grading love it or hate it has all made us more wealthy over the years...in my opinion it's what brought the big time investor's and spenders into this Hobby.
Guaranty or Not is theoretically meaningless once it's in a holder. Pop and Registry are universally known by all the buyers/investors. |
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Hopefully the Sportscard Guaranty Corporation is better at certifying real cards than they were at autographs since they have no guaranty whatsoever (if you call a place a democratic peoples republic, then it is one right?).
My selective experience cracking cards out of slabs is that none of the firms are good at detecting alterations or trimming in the area I collect, rarely certifying an outright fake though (the Dover CJ Mack being the funniest example to me). SGC's grading seems the most random to me - I once discovered a Red Sun I freed from a 3.5 SGC slab had no less than 14 distinct creases in the stock. BCCG was the scammiest of the 'respected' firms grading. I understand slabbing a card one is about to sell because $$$, but I will never get it for any other purpose. |
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I think it's just called SGC now, they no longer use the full name which would be inaccurate.
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Back to the overall of this entire subject - I'd be interested to know how many hardcore vintage collectors now are subbing for review their slabs from the 90's and early 2000's, with a lot of cards that would be 3's today in 5 holders. And if so, is PSA downgrading them appropriately and paying them out? We don't seem to hear a ton of stories like that. I know people love to reholder and make old certs that start with 0's look fresh again in the Lighthouse holders - but when people do this are they taking advantage of the guarantee?
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I know they abandoned the full name in their marketing and customer facing materials, but we all know exactly what it stands for and the business was registered as and acknowledged for many years.
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I would be wary when thinking about reholdering (especially older slabs or overgraded cards). 99 percent of the time its fine, but why chance it? |
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A few years ago I sent an ancient slab back to SGC for a reholder; a '61 Mantle #300 in a 5.5. I looked up the cert on their website and it had been graded more than 20 years ago. All things considered I still agreed with the grade, but you never know, right? They reholdered it a 5.5 with no questions asked and had it back to me in about 2 weeks. I wonder if PSA would have done the same. Interestingly enough, from back when Beckett briefly did subgrades for vintage - I have a really nice '69 Reggie RC in a 4.5. When I went to lookup the cert recently, it was nowhere to be found - did not exist in their database. More out of pure curiosity than anything else, I called up Beckett. Their line was that the slab was "so old" (it was from probably 2002 to '05...) that the standards were different, and they could not stand behind the slab. I said ok, well - that makes sense. So if I send this back to you, you'll regrade it and get it back to me for free, right? Nope. They wanted me to do the entire thing on my dime. Uh, no thanks. If I wanted it in a different holder, I'd pay $15 to SGC and have it back in a matter of days. As is I like the BVG subgrades, and the holder it's in - despite the apparent age - is in really good shape, so I'm just going to leave it like that, LOL. In it's "invalid" holder...
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If you have a big card that looks less than what say a 8 would grade now vs then I wouldn’t roll the dice let it be….if your not happy with your card move it through and auction house and be done. If you’re happy leave it as is and rest easy.
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I did have a card (not a reprint) that was in a PSA slab that was subsequently identified as doctored. I purchased it in the slab and did not submit it myself. It took a little persistence, but in the end, PSA paid out on the guarantee, in a significant amount. Most of the story is floating around here in a thread, although I’m too lazy to track it down and link it here.
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Took five seconds, searched in your profile for threads you had started. LOL. Lazy indeed.
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OK, maybe it was four seconds LOL.
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I voted "sort of" but I should have voted "no".
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Curious whether your "no" is because you don't buy graded cards, you're confident in your personal ability to grade and authenticate without an assist from the TPG, or for some other reason?
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