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OT - 1993 Topps R&N China Porcelain cards
According to the 2003 Standard Catalog, R&N China produced the entire 1993 Topps set in porcelain, 5000 each for the milestone cards (multiples of 10) and 1000 each for all the rest. I've only been able to track down evidence of about 30 or so (a surprising mix of stars and commons) on eBay and the auction house sites and was wondering if anyone remembers how these were originally solicited?
I've seen magazine ads for the original "Dream Team" set, the Mantle set and the Ryan set, but I've never seen any advertising material relating to the 1993 Topps set. Four of the players I collect would be in the set, but I'm getting the impression that a relatively small quantity of those produced actually made it into circulation, otherwise I would expect to see more copies of the Derek Jeter draft pick card in circulation (I've only seen one, so far). Does anyone have any information on these or know if there is some dealer/collector that managed to hoard a large number of them? Mentioning this set on a couple other boards, there is sort of a common notion that the entire set wasn't really produced and that possibly R&N China only produced them to order (I'm not sure how feasible that would be) not expecting 1000 orders for the likes of Mark McLemore or Charlie Hayes. Last edited by DaClyde; 08-31-2017 at 06:20 PM. |
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Topps Poceleins
I had a goal to collect every Topps set or card listed in The Standard Catalog through 1994 ( after that I just went to standard sets, updates and then Heritage). I was worried how I would be able to do this set since it seemed like a monumental task. Fortunately the set got removed from the Catalog ( at least for 93/94) and I gladly have ignored it since.
Good luck on your quest |
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Thanks. I highly doubt R&N China produced any of the checklist cards, which sort of has me wondering if maybe they did the players from the Topps Gold set instead....if so that adds one more player I collect (Bernardo Brito). Does anyone know if the Franklin Mint or Danbury Mint keep track of their previous offerings and might have information on this set?
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Just a slight update here, I've managed to track down evidence of 39 cards from the 1993 set so far and am updating my blog posting on it as I find more cards.
1993 Topps / R&N China porcelain baseball cards |
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To update since the last post, I have now identified 55 cards from this set. It seems every few months another card or two surfaces on eBay.
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RJN China Cards
As mentioned above I do not collect them but wanted one example. Here is the only one I have
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Been awhile since I last updated this, but I have now identified 77 cards from this set. Haven't seen a new one in several months now and I'm no closer to picking up the cards I actually want.
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1993 Topps Porcelein
I admire your tenacity Jason. Can you post a couple of examples. Are they numbered ? As I mentioned earlier the Standard catalog at one time listed the set, but in later additions removed it...much to my relief
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My list of confirmed cards is now up to 80 of 825, so almost 10% of the set exists. They're all supposed to be numbered, but many I've seen on eBay are missing the actual hand-number and just have a blank. Maybe they later only wrote the actual numbers on the little paper certificate, like with the Santiago. Lately I've just seen the same dozen or so cards from the same sellers being listed over and over. There is a Jeter on eBay right now, but based on the numbering, it's not part of this series. As card #98, it should only be numbered to 1000, but the one listed is numbered 2828.
Last edited by DaClyde; 08-31-2017 at 06:21 PM. |
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1993
Thanks Jason. Very interesting
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Three more cards hit eBay this weekend. Now added to the list of 1993 cards are:
168 Kevin Maas 304 Melido Perez 530 Sterling Hitchcock This brings the total of confirmed cards to 83 of 825. |
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#399 Daryl Boston turned up on eBay today, that's 84 of 825.
Last edited by DaClyde; 03-04-2015 at 04:55 PM. |
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Well, based on your initial posting date, and today, you've been at this for just over 4 years. At your current pace, it should only take you 39 years to finish the set.
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I'm praying that someone turns up a massive stash of these when someone on "Storage Wars" wins the storage unit that belonged to R&N China before they went under. At which point I will acquire a thousand or so and re-tile my bathroom.
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93 R @ N China cards
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Another batch has surfaced:
Quite a nice pile of these turned up on eBay last night, allowing me to add this group of top notch superstar talent to the checklist. 58 Jose Melendez 76 Kevin Appier 180 Darren Daulton 237 Jose Vizcaino 281 Butch Henry 591 Alex Cole 741 Mike Devereaux Now were up to 91/825! I believe that may knock my estimated time to completion down to 38 years. |
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Long term project
Jason-- you might want to treat this like the Crazy Horse Monument and both enlist your heirs and set up a trust fund to carry this project forward after you are gone
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Chinettes
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I have the Jeff Conine. It isn't individually numbered, it just says '____ of 1000' on the back
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It's me, again. Back with my occasional update to this thread. This week, two more cards from the 1993 set hit eBay. These bring the total to something like 104 of 825 confirmed.
#60 Roberto Kelly (which I snapped up, excitedly) #207 Paul Molitor |
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reading through this thread; my instinct says R&N did produce the entire set. Albeit in nowhere near the supposed quantities. I wonder, if this set was sent almost totally outside the hobby and most of the people who bought these kept these.
What I learned is when you have a set such as this, and assuming my hypothesis is correct about "retail" distribution, then not many of these cards pop into the secondary market. That is, because, there is not a ton of cards available for people to get a value (or a price guide value) and no one ever wants to feel they sold for less than they feel they should. it's actually a fascinating study into human behavior Rich
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Another eagle-eye'd collector spotted an auction I'd missed with a mess of Braves that had not surfaced before, so the following have been added to the confirmed list (raising the total to 108 of 825):
224 Sid Bream 280 Tom Glavine 552 Jeff Blauser 650 Terry Pendleton |
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Thanks again to Mr. Willency, another five cards have been added to the checklist:
75 Juan Guzman 240 John Olerud 270 Frank Viola 413 Pete Smith 709 Jeff Juden We are now at 113 of 825. If we can keep up a pace of of 3-5 cards per month, we might knock out the checklist in the next decade! Last edited by DaClyde; 10-10-2017 at 11:48 AM. |
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You may look like your avatar on completion
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Know I'm bumping an old post
but if the entire set was made I'm looking for the Jeff Frye #197 for my PC.
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I love this obscure stuff...
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I just noticed a new one today on eBay:
123 Moises Alou. I think that puts the total confirmed at 119/825. |
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These are fun as hell, very pleased to add these to my Ryan collection
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Those are nice Adam. I like them but a set of 825 would be a "heavy" burden Jason
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That's why I'd only collect a player or two. Picked up the 1989 Ryan for a buck at the National.
I can't believe these were nearly $20 each when issued.
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When I bought the Mantle above you could get one for all or at least most of his Topps cards
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I couldn't image attempting to complete this set. There are only a handful I'm chasing. Now you've got me curious how much they actually weigh...
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Big update. Someone just posted a listing on eBay of porcelain cards of 25 players from the 1993 Colorado Rockies. Not all of them are in Rockies uniforms, so I'll note that in the additions below. This listing added 13 new cards to my ever-growing checklist. That puts the set at 132/825.
173 Andres Galarraga (Cardinals) 209 Jeff Parrett (A's) 356 Freddie Benavides (Reds) 425 Joe Girardi 444 David Nied 445 Dale Murphy (Phillies) 504 Gene Lamont / Don Baylor MGR 523 Doug Bochtler 551 Eric Young 644 Dante Bichette 676 Rudy Seanez 681 Darren Holmes 732 Travis Buckley |
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77 Junior Felix 102 Brian Hunter 144 Kent Mercker 306 Damon Berryhill 437 Chris Hammond 517 Bill Pecota 578 Dave Magadan 580 Walt Weiss 583 Marvin Freeman 643 Luis Aquino 708 Greg Olson 769 Francisco Cabrera And add one more for that half an Otis Nixon (#333) you found. That puts the list to 145 of 825. |
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A fascinating item hit ebay. A full box and display for the 1993 Topps/R&N China porcelain magnets!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-TOPPS-...Y/233571456655 ---- On another note, is there any way this thread can be moved into the post-1990 forum? It was started before that forum existed, but now it is out of place. Last edited by DaClyde; 04-27-2020 at 09:50 AM. |
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moving thread
Jason---pm Leon about moving it
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Up to 146 confirmed, as #482 Darren Reed was listed on eBay this morning.
I mean, at this point, there just HAS to be a Hensley Meulens, right? |
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For kicks, I weighed my Roberto Kelly card on my postage scale and it reported 0.8oz. That means the entire set, just cards without packaging, would weight 41.25lbs!
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I’m not sure what your checklist looks like, but I can confirm the full Braves team set and the Maddux Topps Traded. I received them for Christmas in 93 or 94 from my uncle. I don’t remember how they were packaged, but each came with a wooden block shaped like home plate to display them.
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8 Mark Wolhers 35 John Smoltz 62 Rafael Belliard 88 Mike Stanton 198 Alejandro Pena 251 Mike Bielecki 475 Jeff Reardon 677 Charlie Leibrandt Do you have these? Were any of the draft picks, multiple rookies/prospects or manager card included in the set? Last edited by DaClyde; 09-05-2020 at 04:23 PM. |
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I have a autographed 1952 Willie Mays R&N China. I got it from a card shop unauthenticated for $30 dollars. I later got it authenticated by JSA. The story from the shop owner was that the card was purchased years ago by a from a old man that had a bunch of just 52 Mays all signed. This being the last one he had.
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I should have been more specific. The set (or group I had) were normal base cards only. It didn’t have the Chipper or the Klesko prospect cards, the Javy Draft Pick card, or the Cox (I think they were dual that year, like Cox and Cito Gaston maybe?) I can 100% verify the Smoltz as I displayed the Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux, and Avery together for years. The rest I am fairly certain were included, but they haven’t seen daylight since Christmas 93 or 94. I’ll also add that I don’t remember the McGriff and I think he had a TT card in 93. I still have them all packed away somewhere between my house, garage, storage unit, or at my father’s. I probably haven’t seen them in 20 years but if I come across them I’d be more than happy to send them your way. As an aside, have you checked old shop at home videos? My Uncle who gifted them to me almost certainly got them from there. He was the other collector in my family, and his bricks of Classic Draft pick cards and unlicensed rookies were going to be his retirement. My closet in my youth was loaded with uncut sheets, plaques, and the usual HSN variety from him.
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Going through the R & N porcelains I have I noticed a few from different sets:
This Bowman has gold edging and the back says "R & N China Co., Inc." at the top and "Limited Edition #_____ 10,000 sets" at the bottom. Mine is #860 Then there is this one: It has a gold embossed seat front left which reads "1931 1995 Mickey Mantle" with a Topps logo. The back says it is from the Mickey Mantle Commemorative Set. The # is "2656/S5" and handwritten.
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There are porcelains of all or at least most Topps and Bowman Mantles. I think they are neat. Those are good ones Adam
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There's a bunch of porcelain sets aside from the 1993's, here are just a few -1962 Topps Babe Ruth Story (10) -T206 -Yankees legends, a few Yankees stars from the 50's like Stengel, Berra, etc -Rookie cards- Rookies from the 70's and 80's mainly, guys like Bonds, Eckersley, Puckett, Henderson -Nolan Ryan (every regular Topps Ryan from 68-93) There's also a number of single player sets where one or more cards are autographed. I know Ripken has one. There's also a few R&N China which are reprints of Upper Deck cards. |
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I've decided to keep this one for my '1952' collection:
Not likely to own the real thing. The rest I am going to sell starting next week. I've just got too much extraneous stuff.
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Time for a 2021 update. Just added the following new cards to the checklist:
190 Doug Drabek 201 Jose Uribe That brings the verified total to 148 (though honestly the Jeter is still iffy as far as belonging to this set). |
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Jason,
There have to be several versions of at lease some of these pieces of sports nostalgia. I have seen examples that do not contain the Topps licensing information and have language included that they are "sports nostalgia". They also state they are produced by R & N China Co. out of Carrollton, OH. Happy collecting. |
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