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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Lance
I recently purchased a T200 Cincy card that was admittedly auctioned in a typical "scam" setting. I honestly could not tell if it was a reprint or not from the listing. I felt secure knowing if i paid with paypal I would only be on the hook for return shipping and conformation. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: fkw
Just from the wear on the corners that reprint looks to be one of the printed ones (print dots, card stock, creases and corner wear like a normal card). |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: peter ullman
while i see your frustration...why don't you just get a reputable person...maybe even someone from this board...to write you...better yet...fax you a letter stating it's bogus and why. If this is all that's preventing you from your $$$...WTF? |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Lance
I will get an accessible fax number this evening for my wife's work, if anyone or ten would be willing to put there opinion on the line. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: howard
Peter is on the money here. Paypal may well have a silly policy but if you aren't willing to do something as simple as they suggested then you have nothing to complain about. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Red
All you need is a letter from any dealer stating that the card is a reprint. That's what Paypal wants to see and if you provide that they'll continue to help you try to get your money back. You don't need to pay a company to have it graded and rejected. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Tim Newcomb
the more they scare me. I stopped using them to sell most ebay cards a while back because of all the horror stories. I know not taking them hurts my sales but it's not worth the worries. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Lance
I should have stated that the whole gripe is with the fact that I was willing to pay for a professional grading company to examine the card, if they would allow the time. Time on the dispute board is free to Paypal. Paypal feels "Mickey Mouse's House of Cards" can provide the same professional opinion. What will stop the scam artists from providing the same authentication? What protection do we actually have with Paypal as buyers? I have been on the other end where a resident of Canada claimed "no receipt" and the case was closed in minutes. It seems the buying end on Ebay may become a complete mine-field in the very near future. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Red
If Paypal didn't require a letter from a dealer or authenticator then any buyer could return anything they wanted to for any reason using the authenticity excuse. If a seller says no returns in his auction you are entitled to a refund if he sends you a fake card. If he calls a real card VG and you think it's only GD-VG+ you can't return it, and you can't just make up that it's fake in order to be allowed to return it. Paypal wants a letter from somebody in the business stating it's fake. The person issuing the document is responsible for the accuracy of their opinion. If it turns out the item isn't fake, and the person issuing the opinion is incorrect, then that person is legally responsible for what they stated in the letter. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Lance
Again, my disappointment is not with the purchase, the $59, or even the seller at this point. It is clearly with Paypal and the fact that they refused to give me the time to have SGC verify what I know is true. Thus they will enable this scam to continue. I am not an expert level grader but I can assure you I do not have the worst set of eyes in the hobby. If all they want is an opinion from somebody in the business of selling vintage baseball cards, why wouldn't mine be worthy with a 100% seller feedback rating in 1000+ sales? I will gladly pass on to Paypal any letter, from any member of this board, that is willing to put it on letterhead acknowledging their status in the business. It can from your personal auctions, store, or Ebay member name for all it's worth. I will pass it on and see how it plays out. Even if I lose, some of you can voice your opinion to the Paypal rep that will surely call. The fax number is: |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: dan mckee
I am available to help in anyway but I need to see the card in person please. You can send it to me and we can go from there or, why not just return it to the seller with signature confirmation? Once he signs for it, paypal should refund you as even paypal won't allow him to keep the item and the money. That is what I did with Marketkingman a$$hole. They were investigating and said I need an expert to say it was fake and I told them that I was as good as it gets and that it was already returned and scumlife signed for it. Paypal said oh, he has it back? then I guess we can't ask you to show someone else. Well DAH! There is no where in the paypal communication to tell them you have returned the card once the claim is escalated. They have improved immensley but still need some work. Dan. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: cmoking
Stuff like this is one reason I try to use my credit card when paying via Paypal. I know I can always go through my credit card because I can't trust Paypal in protecting me. It is funny though, to pay via your bank account at Paypal, it is quick and painless...but to use your credit card, they really want to make sure you want to use it. It takes I think three extra clicks to use a cc at Paypal compared to letting them dig into your bank account...is that enough for a class-action suit? |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: plifter
I'll just add my sympathy and wish you well on getting this resolved. I hate scam artists. They are ruining the hobby that we all love. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: Lance
Mark Anderson, Director of Grading Services W/Beckett, GehrigFan on Net54, for the letter of verification. It will surely help. |
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A real disappointing conversation with PAYPAL...
Posted By: dan mckee
any luck? |
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