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Old 02-06-2021, 09:15 AM
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I think this one falls in that nebulous "could go either way category"; but I was thrilled to add this Hanna Batrite Cochrane to my collection. I have not actually seen a Cochrane one before with the bat logo.
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Attachment 436983bat to my Tiger collection. In my opinion one of the most underrated players from 1965-75. Freehan was on 11 all-star teams and won 5 Gold Gloves along with winning the World Series in 68. He received exactly 2 votes for the HOF in 1982.
I think that anyone who remembers him respects him, and I wouldn't think a Tiger collection would be anywhere near complete without a Freehan bat.
Nice one, too.
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I think this one falls in that nebulous "could go either way category"; but I was thrilled to add this Hanna Batrite Cochrane to my collection. I have not actually seen a Cochrane one before with the bat logo.
That's a beauty. Regarding its "category," what are some of the pro's and con's on the bat?
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Thanks. From the literature I have read, the Hanna Batrite TA line was offered at the professional level, but also apparently available from the catalog for sale to the general public.
The "pros" I think are that they have been directly seen in photographs with big name players. For example, there is a photo of Ruth dated 1931 on ebay right now that clearly shows some Hanna bats directly next to him (with the model branding NOT around the ears of the bat logo, an important distinction, I think). This bat also does match post-1930 Cochrane LS orders at 34".

"Cons" are, the weight is a bit heavier than his LS orders, currently at 35.5 ounces. Also, as mentioned before, I believe they were offered in the catalog, so that is a big con.

It has a "G" carved into the knob, but I think that is, at best, circumstantial.

Cochrane pro models in general are super rare, I think, so I was delighted to grab it. However, I don't think I can say either way if Cochrane actually used it or not without some kind of additional evidence.

That all being said, I will note that the bat has significant contact on the left-barrel, to the point of obvious grain separation. But the right barrel is intact, with no separation at all. That is consistent with the PSA Pro Bat Facts page.

I only have a couple of Hanna bats, so I would imagine that some other experts here on the forum would have far more expertise than me here. I invite them to please correct me if I am wrong on any of this.
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Sean I think you sum it up pretty well.

Either way that's a great looking Cochrane bat and I don't recall seeing a Cochrane Hanna before.
One other point -- I'd rather have the bat be a little bit heavy than a little bit light.

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Sean beautiful bat. The Batrites have always been a favorite of mine and have a few in my collection. My Gehringer bat falls into your category. Instead of a model number there is a "GF" 5 after Gehringer. I've seen one other bat with this marking and it was a Crabtree bat sold by Mears.


The second Batrite bat I have is a Goose Goslin type. Stamped on the barrel is "Goslin Type". Again this falls into your category of being used or not used by the player. Mears sold a Babe Ruth bat with the same markings and they listed it as Game used. I always thought that if it didn't have "TA" then it wasn't their top line. I also thought that if a bat has "Type" then it is considered a retail bat. If in fact the Goslin bat is a retail bat then it must of been a strong individual buying it because it weighs a ton. I've attached the link to the Babe Ruth bat on Mears.

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I think Hannas are great looking.

Here are some of mine -- all are flying bat logos except the Cronin.
I think the Rice and Simmons are most likely to be gamers.

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Great bats!
I am curious as to why you suspect they are gamers; do they have any side-writing or anything?

Here is my only other Hanna Batrite; this one probably rates at the top two of my collection.
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Old 02-06-2021, 05:14 PM
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Man that is some great lumber. As far as dating these bats, are the Georgia Drivers late 20s to 1930 and Beaver Driver 1930s?
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Wow that Ruth bat is incredible.

I'm thinking that if any of my Hannas have a shot of being a gamer, it would be the Rice and Simmons (wasn't trying to say they actually are gamers).

Both don't have the patent stamp on the knob, the Simmons matches some of his specs and the Rice has the unusual "plain" barrel labeling. The Rice also has a very high wood quality and is similar to my H&B Sam Rice game bat.

The best thing -- they sure are a lot cheaper than definitive H&B game bats!

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Love the Hanna bats. Here is another one:
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Oh, that is a really cool one!
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Man that is some great lumber. As far as dating these bats, are the Georgia Drivers late 20s to 1930 and Beaver Driver 1930s?
I think (and I would have to check) that my Ruth has a 1930 patent stamp on the knob, and I think I saw a Ruth Beaver Driver once with the same stamp. The photo of Ruth with the Hanna bat was from 1931, so I think your dating idea is correct.
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Wow that Ruth bat is incredible.

I'm thinking that if any of my Hannas have a shot of being a gamer, it would be the Rice and Simmons (wasn't trying to say they actually are gamers).

Both don't have the patent stamp on the knob, the Simmons matches some of his specs and the Rice has the unusual "plain" barrel labeling. The Rice also has a very high wood quality and is similar to my H&B Sam Rice game bat.

The best thing -- they sure are a lot cheaper than definitive H&B game bats!

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Oh, I see what you are saying. But, to me, that would make sense.

You are correct! I am way out of the running for a LS Ruth game model, so these are basically the top of my collection for what I can afford. And, as most of you know, I already get in enough trouble from the home accounting office.
I did see a Batrite Gehrig sell last night in Mears; I thought it might have gone for a little more than it did. I am kind of wishing I had taken a shot at it now...
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Picked this one up today at a LCS. Pretty excited to add another 68 Tiger to the collection. I think the bat is from 1973-75.
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Here's a new one. It's an H & Son Co. Tom Long / (Bobby) Byrne bat from circa 1915. The "Byrne" stamped on the knob is similar to the lettering on a Frank Snyder bat from that era. I'm going to consider this a Bobby Byrne bat and feel pretty good about adding it to my Pirates collection. Thanks to Dave P for setting me up with this old bat.
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Gates Brown 1968 Tigers.
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I could not pass this one over. It is one of the final pieces to my Yankee collection!

Not much (any?) use, but for the price, it is the one I could afford!
Lots of rack marks, and someone wrote the weight on the knob.
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That Long/Byrne bat is awesome!

So is the Brown bat!

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Does anyone have a full sized H&B bat with the same center brand? The "Made in USA" doesn't seem to appear under the H&B brand in the same way that it appears in the photos in the Vince Malta book. The M lines up exactly under the R in Hillerich, while the A is between the A & D of Bradsby. Am I missing something? Any info and (or) opinions are appreciated.
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Picked up a 1989 Bill Ripken gamer from a former major leaguer estate auction. This bat is pounded with use. I am sure most of you are familiar with the "error" card of his from 1989. If not--makes for an interesting read....The bat used for that card was a L.S. BUT... the knob end on this bat let's me know there was a "brother".
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Picked up a 1989 Bill Ripken gamer from a former major leaguer estate auction. This bat is pounded with use. I am sure most of you are familiar with the "error" card of his from 1989. If not--makes for an interesting read....The bat used for that card was a L.S. BUT... the knob end on this bat let's me know there was a "brother".

Nice grab! That was from the MB Auctions last month right? Who was the former MLBer? I picked up a Mike Greenwell bat from that auction but didnít know it was an MLB estate...

Meanwhile Iíll add a photo sometime soon of a project Iím working on... but for now hereís a recent grab. My first (and probably only) David Ortiz bat. Used at the tail end of a rough 2009 season, arguably his worst as a Red Sox.





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The estate was from a former Whiz Kid....Russ Meyer. (Mad Monk)
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Does anyone have a full sized H&B bat with the same center brand? The "Made in USA" doesn't seem to appear under the H&B brand in the same way that it appears in the photos in the Vince Malta book. The M lines up exactly under the R in Hillerich, while the A is between the A & D of Bradsby. Am I missing something? Any info and (or) opinions are appreciated.
That is a very interesting bat. I could swear I had one like it, but now that I am looking for it, naturally I cannot find it. I will keep looking around...

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That is a very interesting bat. I could swear I had one like it, but now that I am looking for it, naturally I cannot find it. I will keep looking around...

I love finding variant bats!
Thanks for looking! It would be instructive to know that bats like this are not as common as dirt. I hope you will keep an eye open for similar bats, and that others will, too. AND I would be extra grateful if others would post photos of other old bats that don't seem to fit the mould.
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Here's as close as I found. Appears that the font of the 125 and other markings is identical. This one I had originally dated as 1921-22, as that coincided with Fonseca's first two years in MLB with the Cincinnati Reds. Could have been a bit earlier though, I suppose. Would depend on when he signed his contract with H&B. (I owned this Fonseca in 2011)

If it stands that mine is a 1921-22 and we know there are bats from 1922 with "Made In USA" in the center label after it replaced the -.- below, then I would make the logical conclusion that your bat is likely a 1922 transition bat.

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Here's as close as I found. Appears that the font of the 125 and other markings is identical. This one I had originally dated as 1921-22, as that coincided with Fonseca's first two years in MLB with the Cincinnati Reds. Could have been a bit earlier though, I suppose. Would depend on when he signed his contract with H&B. (I owned this Fonseca in 2011)

If it stands that mine is a 1921-22 and we know there are bats from 1922 with "Made In USA" in the center label after it replaced the -.- below, then I would make the logical conclusion that your bat is likely a 1922 transition bat.

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Tim, you've got a very keen eye for fonts, among other things. What you say makes sense. Thanks!

I've got at least 1 bat from around 1920 with a similar font. You've opened up a new line of research for me. I notice that the brand in my bat seems to wrap around the bat, maybe because the barrel is relatively thin. (35 in. 33 oz.). Maybe they quickly stopped using this label because it doesn't really fit the more tapered bats of the early 20's?
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Picked up a Rafael Ramirez gamer in Mears last night. I'll post more later this week. I have some earlier ones.

Astros fans will remember him as a pretty good shortstop in the late 80's, early nineties, the era of this bat...

Rafael and Glen Hubbard made quite a DP combo in Atlanta. I have two of each:


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Added a circa 1985 mike greenwell minor league gamer to the collection... mike wore #11 with the pawsox.
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I picked up this Vladimir Guerrero bat recently and could not be happier. I've always wanted one of his bats, and adding that it's and Expos bat makes it even better for me. He was one of my favorite players to watch growing up and even though he went into the hall as an Angel, I will always picture him as an Expo when he is discussed.

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I am curious as to why you suspect they are gamers; do they have any side-writing or anything?

Here is my only other Hanna Batrite; this one probably rates at the top two of my collection.
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Wade Boggs was,my favorite player growing up. This is my favorite bat I own of his. I included a picture of the barrel which is powered with seam marks.
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The Krueger bat is terrific. The photo spreads on your bats are almost as spectacular as your bats. Do you recommend any videos/ reading on how to photograph memorabilia and how to arrange the photos?
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Thank you, Mark, for the compliment! I've only put together a checklist for photographing with a black light, which I'll paste here when I find it. It's a great start this type stuff. I'll put together a bullet point checklist for the rest of the spread.

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Photography using a black light

This is how to do it:

Find a room that is very dark(when the light is off). I use my garage during the daytime.
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  2. Set the camera to manual mode
  3. Set to auto focus and allow it to focus on the cards
  4. Once focused, switch to manual focus so it will not be confused by the black light (closer to camera) and the cards
  5. Lower the F-Stop to one setting above bulb
  6. Set the camera to 2 sec delay (pushing the shutter release can move the camera at this low shutter speed).
  7. Turn the overhead light off; turn the black light on (I hold the black light with my hand and intentionally include it in the photos). The focus is still on the cards because auto focus was turned off.
  8. Lower the shutter speed until the meter is centered.
  9. Gently press the shutter release and let go. The two second count down will begin and you will have your photo.
If any of this doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll explain further.
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Here's as close as I found. Appears that the font of the 125 and other markings is identical. This one I had originally dated as 1921-22, as that coincided with Fonseca's first two years in MLB with the Cincinnati Reds. Could have been a bit earlier though, I suppose. Would depend on when he signed his contract with H&B. (I owned this Fonseca in 2011)

If it stands that mine is a 1921-22 and we know there are bats from 1922 with "Made In USA" in the center label after it replaced the -.- below, then I would make the logical conclusion that your bat is likely a 1922 transition bat.

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Photography using a black light

This is how to do it:

Find a room that is very dark(when the light is off). I use my garage during the daytime.
  1. Use a tripod
  2. Set the camera to manual mode
  3. Set to auto focus and allow it to focus on the cards
  4. Once focused, switch to manual focus so it will not be confused by the black light (closer to camera) and the cards
  5. Lower the F-Stop to one setting above bulb
  6. Set the camera to 2 sec delay (pushing the shutter release can move the camera at this low shutter speed).
  7. Turn the overhead light off; turn the black light on (I hold the black light with my hand and intentionally include it in the photos). The focus is still on the cards because auto focus was turned off.
  8. Lower the shutter speed until the meter is centered.
  9. Gently press the shutter release and let go. The two second count down will begin and you will have your photo.
If any of this doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll explain further.
Thanks!
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1991-92_Louisville_Slugger_K55_Dale_Murphy_E by Greg Martin, on Flickr
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  • Quite a piece of lumber for a modern era bat.
  • Steve Balboni's bat that was likely used by Butch Hobson in '82.
  • 36", 38oz.


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Hey Mark,

Photos using Canon SLR:

ISO set at 100
Camera mode: aperature priority (i use F10 for depth)

Full bat:
- Use tripod set at proper height.
- set camera to aperature priority (I use F10)
- set flash meter to +1
- set lighting meter to +2
- I shoot raw images and then develop them using Canon's software

Barrel and handle photos:
- lower tripod to proper height
- aperature priority
- flash meter at 0 (middle)
- lighting meter at +1

Knob and barrel end
- F10 provides depth
- Tripod same height as handle/barrel pics
- flash meter: +2
- lighting meter: +1

After developing the images, compile them in microsoft paint, which comes free with all windows computers.

This seems like a lot of work but a full bat can be done in 30-45 minutes

Let me know if some 'splaining is needed

Oh and i use a white background that i got on ebay for 12.00 shipped.


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Hey Mark,

Photos using Canon SLR:

ISO set at 100
Camera mode: aperature priority (i use F10 for depth)

Full bat:
- Use tripod set at proper height.
- set camera to aperature priority (I use F10)
- set flash meter to +1
- set lighting meter to +2
- I shoot raw images and then develop them using Canon's software

Barrel and handle photos:
- lower tripod to proper height
- aperature priority
- flash meter at 0 (middle)
- lighting meter at +1

Knob and barrel end
- F10 provides depth
- Tripod same height as handle/barrel pics
- flash meter: +2
- lighting meter: +1

After developing the images, compile them in microsoft paint, which comes free with all windows computers.

This seems like a lot of work but a full bat can be done in 30-45 minutes

Let me know if some 'splaining is needed

Oh and i use a white background that i got on ebay for 12.00 shipped.


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Thanks, this is very instructive. Moreover, it's a good way to do something with the bats other than pick them up once and a while to look at them!
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Yes as you can tell I became obsessed with bat photos. Took a long break from bats and just started back. Re-learning is much quicker. Might be OCD i guess
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