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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Tony III
I am looking to sell an 1887 Old Judge Mickey Welch SGC 50. I am looking for advice. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: dstudeba
I would put it on the BST for $1995 and not worry about any commission. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Sean C
go with Mastro, REA (if the consignment window hasn't passed), or even Heritage. Then again, I'd never bid with Memory Lane. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Phil Garry
Based on the two choices you provided, I would definitely go with Mastro, more visibility and exposure for your card. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: barrysloate
Any auction house that tells you they are better at advertising, or have a secret list of clients that only bid with them, or give you any other promise that doesn't quite make sense, is lying. They would be the first one I would cross off my list. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: barrysloate
Thank you Bruce- kind words indeed (but not the reason I responded to this post). |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: MVSNYC
i definitely recommend Barry Sloate for this piece...top notch gentleman. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: dan mckee
MASTRO over Memory Lane by a MILE! Was this a joke? |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: MikeU
Based on the two choices, Mastro hands down. In general, Memory Lane would be a last resort due to their President's past jail time for fraud. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: george "bulldog" adams
disagree with barry i am sure he is a good guy and i`ve heard nothin but good things about the man and i know barry runs one of the very few honest auctions in this dirty industry but no matter what you think about jp`s past you got too admit memory lane is by far the best when it comes to advertising or i should say them sons of bitches spend more dough advertising than any other auction house every page of the smr is memory lane this and memory lane that and every page of the psa website is memory lane somewhere and every psa submission has memory lane advertising when it is returned to you and every psa member gets the catalog and knows when the auction ends they prolly spend over a million a year in advertising they even send out chocolate bars and cool babe ruth coins with the memory lane logo barry no disrespect i know you have been around the industry much longer and you got a lot of old school contacts but even so it is very difficult too compete with a million dollar yearly advertising budget when all you do for advertising is a 300 dollar monthly banner ad on a obscure msg board and i don`t think you can posibly have a customer base anywhere even close to the size of memory lanes not trying to start a flame war just giving my opinion. bulldog |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: bigfish
I think this card would do well in Barry's auction. His prices on old judges have been very strong the last two auctions. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Steve Murray
That has to be the longest sentence ever posted on Net54. AND, all in lower caps. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: MikeU
"disagree with barry i am sure he is a good guy and i`ve heard nothin but good things about the man and i know barry runs one of the very few honest auctions in this dirty industry but no matter what you think about jp`s past you got too admit memory lane is by far the best when it comes to advertising or i should say them sons of bitches spend more dough advertising than any other auction house every page of the smr is memory lane this and memory lane that and every page of the psa website is memory lane somewhere and every psa submission has memory lane advertising when it is returned to you and every psa member gets the catalog and knows when the auction ends they prolly spend over a million a year in advertising they even send out chocolate bars and cool babe ruth coins with the memory lane logo barry no disrespect i know you have been around the industry much longer and you got a lot of old school contacts but even so it is very difficult too compete with a million dollar yearly advertising budget when all you do for advertising is a 300 dollar monthly banner ad on a obscure msg board and i don`t think you can posibly have a customer base anywhere even close to the size of memory lanes not trying to start a flame war just giving my opinion. bulldog" |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: barrysloate
George- I'm amazed that you said all that in only one sentence. Is your computer missing punctuation? |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: george "bulldog" adams
hey mikeu fys just too be clear i wasn`t disagreeing about barry being a good choice for auctioning this card i was disagreeing with barry`s comments in his 7:31 msg where he said an auction house is lying if they say they are better at advertising or have bigger client lists. bulldog |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Eric Brehm
Tough choices, assuming of course that an auction house is the way you want to go. With Barry Sloate you get complete transparency, with Mastro or Robert Edwards you get name recognition and probably maximum exposure, and with the boutique houses like Memory Lane, Mile High Cards, and Goodwin you get somewhere in between. All of them can present your material in a very attractive manner to potential buyers. Go with who ever you are comfortable dealing with, but remember that the bottom line is the size of the check you will receive when the auction is over. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: barrysloate
George- Memory Lane does more advertising than I do, that's not my complaint. They claim, according to the original poster, to do more advertising than Mastro. If that claim is in fact accurate, I will question it. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: george "bulldog" adams
barry i think that claim is very accurate mastro does a lot of advertising but nowhere as much as memory lane from what i`ve seen and the memory lane advertising is annoying not mr mint annoying but in your face annoying and it is everywhere mastro like rea has more classy advertising and it doesn`t stand out as much so i don`t think it is as effective. bulldog |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: george "bulldog" adams
and barry don`t forget you got to request and pay for the mastro catalog at least the 1st time but the memory lane catalog is just sent unsolicited to a very large segment of the hobby for free so it is seen by many more eyes. bulldog |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: barrysloate
So it sounds like Memory Lane may do some unnecessary advertising, because at some point you have diminishing returns. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: JimB
If I were considering a consignment, one consideration would be where people interested in my particular item would look. For an N172 HOF, I would not consign it to Memory Lane, no matter how much advertising the do (and I doubt it is more that Mastro). They don't specialize in 19th century material. As people have mentioned, similar items do very well in Barry's auctions as they do in Mastro, REA, etc. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: rand
i believe some cards at memory lane do not really change hands, for example the 33 goudey gehrig psa 10. it was sold for $275k, but never removed from the psa registry. the cards they sell are so over priced i have a hard time believing they are all legit. if the IRS were to audit them, i wonder what the outcome would be. i think the amount of advertising a company does at some point just doesn't work anymore. does McDonald's have to advertise on every channel, multiple times a day, 365 days a year? memory lane's advertising costs have to seriously cut into their bottom line, unless its a write off to show losses. Mastro is branching out, they sell Lalique, Oil Paintings, Coins, Currency, Posters, Comics, ect... so they have to reach another audience. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Tony III
Barry, when is your next auction and consignment deadline? |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: boxingcardman
Mastro, hands down. ML's forte is not in the 19th century field. There are also some buyers who will not do business with them for various reasons, so that is a consideration. I've seen good things and had fine dealings with Hugins & Scott and Heritage. REA is first class but you'd have to wait until next year for another auction. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: barrysloate
Hi Tony- please email me at bsloate@att.net. Shouldn't really do this on the board. Thanks, Barry |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Rand, I'm certain that there are some cards in Mastro's acutions that don't change hands either. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Denny Walsh
Barry, Hands down for Nineteenth Century |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: rand
hey Jeff, how are you... |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Doug Allen
In response to Jeff's recent inquiry....We have instituted reserves in some non sports areas but have never instituted a hidden reserve when selling cards or for that matter any sports memorabilia. We understand that from time to time a bidder may have a buddy bid on an item but if they win it they write a check for it and pay the buyers premium just like everyone else. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Cat
I'd like to see Jeff and Doug have weekly conference calls. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
So, Doug, you're saying that you have never had a card appear to be sold in your auction but have it actually revert back to the consignor with Mastro's knowledge? |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Doug Allen
We have never had a hidden reserve on a sports card or sports memorabilia item. Further we have never returned an item to the original consignor after a bid was accepted in an auction. Finally, although I expect it has happened I do not have first hand knowledge of a person ultimately getting a card back that they auctioned. I can tell you if it has happened the person paid the buyers premium and did not get a fair advantage over another bidder. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Paul
I don't think there is a single person in the world looking for an N172 Welch who is unaware of Mastro, REA, Barry Sloate, Lew Lipset, etc. Anyone looking for that card or any other Old Judge HOFer gets all of their catalogs and reads them religiously. So, my two cents worth is this -- advertising doesn't matter in the slightest for this card. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Doug Allen
Actually a good resource would be Hal...ask him. Last year he entrusted us with incredible cards including a T206 Honus Wagner. Every card was promoted to the extreme and given the ultimate exposure. At the same time every card had a ridiculously low minimum bid and it was going to sell for what it sold for. In the case of the T206 Wagner and most of the other cards I am sure he was very satisfied....in the case of some of the other cards he was not so happy but there were no side deals, no reserves. It was a pure auction. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Doug, can you say which of Hal's cards were sold in your auction? |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Doug Allen
Hal can say...I know he previously mentioned that he gave us a big consignment and it was generally known that the T206 Wagner was his. Beyond that the disclosure is up to him. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: James Feagin
Jeff, |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
James, fair question. And I will answer it but I'm afraid if I do answer it completely honestly I'll unnecssarily embarass Doug which I don't want to do -- this isn't a bash Mastro thread. Perhaps I'll give a fuller version to you via email. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: rand
Jeff... i guess at the end of the day, you must spend enough money with Mastro for them to take so much grief. Have you ever been banned by them? would you share some of the other auction companies you bid with besides REA & Ebay. regards |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Doug Allen
Jeff, |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Fred C
I'd like to be the first to nominate Doug as a regular to the board. That's five posts in the same thread! |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Doug, I noticed that all of Hal's Old Judges, 1873 Boston Cabinet and Allegheny Bresnahan found their way into Barry's auction directly after they were in Mastro's auction recently. I'm wondering if in fact it is true that Hal was the consignor both times. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Eric Brehm
Jeff - you are relentless! What are you trying to investigate? You think Mastro Auctions didn't really sell Hal's cards, because Barry had them for auction later? Why would Mastro Auctions even do this? What purpose what it serve? Who cares? |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Tom Nieves
I care. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Eric Brehm
I understand Jeff's concern with the potential use of 'hidden reserves' and so on, but Doug Allen has already denied that Mastro Auctions has ever used such tactics in connection with a sports card or memorabilia lot, and I believe him. I don't even care where Barry Sloate got the cards. Can we just move on now? |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Doug Allen
Jeff et al, |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Doug, I'm sure Hal will want to come on and straighten this all out. Surely any privacy issues of Hal can be waived by him should he so choose. |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Jeff, |
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Mastro or Memory Lane
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Corey, respectfully I'd disagree with your last sentence/conclusion. |
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