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Old 12-04-2023, 08:10 PM
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Default Hmmm, another really bad PSA 8… Yaz rookie…

This has to be the worst looking 8 I’ve ever seen…those corners look like a 6 AT BEST…

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Old 12-04-2023, 08:15 PM
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This has to be the worst looking 8 I’ve ever seen…those corners look like a 6 AT BEST…

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26652393441...mis&media=COPY
It already shows ended and goes to another listing.

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It already shows ended and goes to another listing.
On the right edge of the top blue band you can hit 'View original listing'.
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Old 12-04-2023, 09:36 PM
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This is the quality of expertise PSA brings to the table. Thank God they are here for us all to outsource our eyes and opinions too.
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Old 12-04-2023, 09:45 PM
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SGC 3 or 4 all day.

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Old 12-05-2023, 06:05 AM
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Any ideas on what year that card was graded? 1995-1998?
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Old 12-05-2023, 09:26 AM
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Any ideas on what year that card was graded? 1995-1998?
Definitely an early one, but not sure. Really bad though how much their standards have changed. Definitely went for less than a decent 8 would go for, but surprised it even went for as much as it did
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Look at the left edge next to Yaz's cap, and the lower-right edge of the slab.....

That may be a case of a cracked slab and replaced lower-grade card; or a fake slab.

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Look at the left edge next to Yaz's cap, and the lower-right edge of the slab.....

That may be a case of a cracked slab and replaced lower-grade card; or a fake slab.

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Hmm, I dunno… might be wishful thinking … 🤔
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Look at the left edge next to Yaz's cap, and the lower-right edge of the slab.....

That may be a case of a cracked slab and replaced lower-grade card; or a fake slab.
I'm inclined to agree and give PSA the benefit of the doubt on this one. No trained grader could be off by THAT much. Definitely some funny business with that slab. Not implying the seller is dishonest - just somewhere down the line that slab was messed with somehow. I'd bet on it.
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:33 AM
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I'm inclined to agree and give PSA the benefit of the doubt on this one. No trained grader could be off by THAT much. Definitely some funny business with that slab. Not implying the seller is dishonest - just somewhere down the line that slab was messed with somehow. I'd bet on it.
LOL, have you ever sent cards to PSA? I personally have got back worse than this. Heck I paid them twice once and they still couldn't even get the fricken label correct and that was after explaining the problem not only on the form but over the phone.

With the number of cards PSA grades per day we could easily have a new one of these threads every single day. There is no company that gets everyone correct that does that kind of volume and with that volume there are constant mistakes.

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Old 12-06-2023, 09:55 AM
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Old slab for sure, but yeah - that’s bad.

PSA has always had difficulty with grading consistency for average Joe customers submitting nice, and especially marquee cards. That slab might be from the early 2000’s, but I’ve also seen very recent slabs with cards that look like an 8 in PSA 4’s, and some others that look like 7’s which were given 9’s. Grading as a subjective discipline is more inconsistent right now than it’s been in some time, IMO, and it’s not just PSA.

While my PC will always likely have a good mix between raw and slabs, the headaches lately seem to be a good argument for the former and holding off on your submissions.


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I saw this card being discussed in chats for the opposite reasons.

I see the smudged right corner, but is this a 2?



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I saw this card being discussed in chats for the opposite reasons.

I see the smudged right corner, but is this a 2?



I have often thought it would be good to assign a “technical grade” and a “visual appeal” grade. I mean there MUST be something going on with this card that isn’t visible in a 2D scan, right? It’s either that, or, this was an actual error and this card is not actually supposed to be a 2. I feel those are really the only 2 possibilities.
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I suspect this one is a 2 because of the V shaped paper loss next to the corner ding on the back. That still feels too harsh though, seems to easily merit the 3 at least on the technical scale.

Cards that look like this are why I can never picture myself going high grade. The tiny visual difference is just not worth it.
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If the Volpe card was a T206, would it be a 2?

Maybe I'm missing it somewhere, but I've not seen written evidence from the TPGs that they grade older cards and newer cards on different scales.
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If the Volpe card was a T206, would it be a 2?

Maybe I'm missing it somewhere, but I've not seen written evidence from the TPGs that they grade older cards and newer cards on different scales.
Beckett had a vintage division BVG not sure if they still do. They said they grade vintage(1980 and back) different.
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Beckett had a vintage division BVG not sure if they still do. They said they grade vintage(1980 and back) different.
Compare that 2 to the recent SGC 3 Ruth and tell me how that makes any sense at all.
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Compare that 2 to the recent SGC 3 Ruth and tell me how that makes any sense at all.
I can't. Card grading is so interesting PT Barnum himself wouldn't be able to believe how it actually works.
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Beckett had a vintage division BVG not sure if they still do. They said they grade vintage(1980 and back) different.

They still do. And that would be quite the understatement. They don’t grade cards within shouting distance of the standards used by PSA and SGC. Most BVG 5’s would be lucky to get a PSA 3.


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I’m still convinced that PSA grading varies depending on how many cards you submit/have submitted to them for grading. Just saying…
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