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Bryan Van Horn and threats....
Posted By: t-205
He has threated to call my local authorities about a card i sent him. he says it didnt come, but he didnt ask for insurance. $120 card. he send me a check (i live in canada) i cant cash it properly (finally went through after 2 weeks). and also claiming i never send the card. i offered a refund for the card, and still he wont budge. whats everyones view?? i dont want the authorites at my door for something so stupid. |
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Posted By: James Feagin
I know Brian and he has always come through for me. I don't think this is the proper forum to air such grievance. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Canada's postal system sucks. The number one rule when dealing internationally is GET INSURANCE. |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
I agree with James. |
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Posted By: t-205
just asking for advice to be honest. have i done everything to help him out? i'm not bashing him by anymeans. just need to know why someone who trying to get in touch with my local authorities when i have talked to Leon about this situation and Bryan also. |
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Posted By: t-205
no no i sent him a card, and i ask him if he wanted insurance, he declined. any thoughts? |
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Posted By: bigfish
Did you use delivery confirmation? |
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Posted By: t-205
he didnt ask for anything like that. just mail the card. he emailed me stating he will file charges with ym local police if he doesnt get payment friday?? |
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Posted By: bigfish
you should air this off line with him. He is a reasonable person IMO |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I don't know Brian, but I've dealt with him both as a buyer and as a seller, and he's an absolute pleasure. I'd deal with him again with no hesitation whatsoever. |
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Posted By: Bill Bellamy
(for Leon) |
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Posted By: Mark T
How long has it been since you sent it. |
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Posted By: Dave F
Bill |
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Posted By: quan
could take awhile from canada to the usa. brian's always seem pleasant to me also. if he did not want insurance i'd just split the cost down the middle. i don't think you should take the whole blame if you did send the card. |
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Posted By: Jim Dale
Kind of sad but I got a shipment of a card from Japan in 5 days; and one from Canada to me in the states took 3 weeks. And the shipping \ stamp dates showed the Canadian one took 20 days from shipment point to deliver...don't know whats with that - not sure it helps in this situation but maybe there is hope its just held up..... |
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Posted By: leon
Thanks Bill. No way can we be anonymous in this kind of thread. I also have had some extended times getting stuff to our northerly friends in Canada. Without knowing the particulars, with no confirmation, and no tracking, it's easy to have a problem. I have encountered the same thing before but thank goodness the pacakage eventually showed up. It's been very difficult for me to get any kind of tracking at all, from the USPS to Canada....And I agree it's best to exhaust all means privately before taking a dispute public. regards |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
The Canadian Postal System Sucks. It can't be said any clearer than that. The last thing I bought from Canada was a couple of photos that took 5 weeks to get here after paying with paypal....after two weeks I asked the seller if they had shipped them out yet and they said they had gone out the next day after I paid. 5 weeks for an envelope with two photos in it!!! |
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Posted By: Brad
Just ask the Canadian seller to ship your cards Xpresspost, 3-4 business day plus you get a tracking # ($12.00Cdn). |
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Posted By: leon
There is still no form of tracking that I am aware of from the USPS to Canada. The time can be cut down if you pay for expediting....but the tracking still sucks....imo. I hope my Canadian friends don't think I am beating them up...it might be OUR postal system that is doing it. Maybe our resident postmaster will chime in about shipping to Canada? |
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Posted By: Mark T
I can see if you were sending a package to Russia but its 1 country over. I have been told by a USPS employee that you can pay for all the bells and whistles to send a package to canada but once it hits the border thats all they are responsible for. |
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Posted By: Brad
Shipping to canada with tracking # |
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Posted By: leon
My apology...it is shipping from Canada to the US....I am going back to sleep on the couch.... |
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Posted By: Mark T
but thats only getting to the border at customs. What happens after that is pure luck. |
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Posted By: Bill Bellamy
haha yeah the US rates canada to the US is in US funds. add another 15-20% and thats what we have to pay. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Waitaminute...In your first post you say he didn't receive the package and now you're saying that he did receive it. I'm confused. |
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Posted By: Brad
Ahh, |
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Posted By: Bill Bellamy
well he stated the card didnt come, but the package did. sorry for the confusion. |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Brad |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Just to clarify, the card, an E93 McGraw, was $135.00 plus I added $3.00. The reason I didn't ask for insurance is that insurance was never offered. |
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Posted By: Brad
Baseball Cards? I think North America has bigger problems to deal with! |
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Posted By: Bill Bellamy
Bryan, |
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Posted By: Anonymous
By the way, I would just like to take a moment and thank my fellow board members for their kind words. |
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Posted By: Bill Bellamy
Brad, |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Brad |
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Posted By: Brad
Max, |
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Posted By: Eric B
I think we've done this one before. It is the seller's responsibility to make sure the package arrives, even if the buyer declines insurance. If the seller wants it insured, they need to require it. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
it sucks to not get a card you won, and it sucks to not get paid. It's sometimes easier to blame the other guy than the situation. Sorry this happened, but I'd wager you'll both get past it, and we won't hear this type of situation from either of you again. |
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Posted By: Rhys
Sounds to me like the kind of thing where the losses should be split between both parties. Happened to me once with another longtime forum member over a 1926 Spalding Champions Card worth $75. I had a receipt to show it was mailed, but no tracking number and we both agreed that it was just one of those things and I refunded him $37.50 and everyone was happy. We just sort of had an understanding that if the card ever did show up anywhere that the situation would be immediately rectified 100% rather than 50%. |
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Posted By: Bill Bellamy
exactly, that sound slike a plan also. i dont think brian will go for it though. |
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Posted By: Mike
I never understood the whole "offering insurance" to the buyer at a price. As a seller, if I'm selling a big-ticket item, I will simply charge a few extra bucks for shipping/handling and insure the item to protect myself. As a buyer, I always turn down optional insurance because I feel it is the sellers responsibity. If I don't receive the product, I contact paypal for a refund (at least in theory). I just don't believe you should have to insure an item that you have yet to receive. I also don't agree with the 50-50 split. If the seller doesn't take the necessary precautions to protect themselves(insurance, delivery confirmation), their recourse should be with the post office and not the buyer. |
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Posted By: leon
A lot of sales involve the negotiating of shipping/insurance. Until it's free to do, it will always be a negotiation. If a seller sells something and offers insurance for a cost, then it's up to the buyer to pay for it or not. Communication prior to the sale is key...as always. regards |
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Posted By: Dave F
I just recently had an event involving ebay...a raw T206 that I bought at the last minute for $20.00...shipping was an additional $3. It's been almost a month...no card yet. The seller who is a fairly big time dealer has already got defensive after just asking him when the card was mailed and was it first class, parcel post, etc. He emailed me back right away with "well you turned down the insurance"...and then sent me a scan of the postal receipt he had...even though he didn't self insure, or even bother with a delivery confirmation which I think is stupid to not do. He is right...I didn't pay the additional insurance for a $20.00 card. But to me, a big time seller probably should eat things at that point...especially talking about $20 and not $200. I paid through paypal, so I guess I could raise a fuss over item not received and probably get my money back since he didn't even do a delivery confirmation..but in the end, it's not even worth it...because I'll get hit with the neg. $20 bucks down the drain and another lesson learned. |
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Posted By: Mark T
If you are a seller or have a Ebay store its just like having a brick and mortar business. You would not treat your customers bad or talk to them like idiots. They will never do business again with you. Eventually, a bad attitude will end up costing you money. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
I personally think it is the seller's responsibility to get the product to the buyer. |
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Posted By: Joann
I agree with Leon that insurance is optional to the buyer - they can elect to pay or not. It helps if the seller is clear in the auction or transaction that non-insured shipments are at the buyers risk - before receiving payment. If the buyer declines, it should be their risk. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
when is a transaction of a product complete? |
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Posted By: Brad
Joe.D, |
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Posted By: Fred C
There's always two sides to a story: |
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Posted By: joe
As a buyer and seller on ebay, the buyer has the responsibility to buy the insurance. I have sold different ways, I put shipping info in the auction and offer insurance as an option. Lately, I have been selling with shipping required. But, when you do this your shipping cost looks to high for the item your are selling and some buyers don't read the complete description about the insurance. But in the end I believe it is the buyer responsibility for insurance. Sometimes you have to guess on insurance, $1.30-$7.00 depending on the ending price. |
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Posted By: Rob
I once won an ebay item (~$40) from a reputable collector and never received it. He asked me to wait a few more days and it never came. He gave me a refund even though he could've just told me to screw off, so I gave him 1/2 the money back and we therefore split the cost. |
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