At last, the boxing price surge???

[maniac_73]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I definitely think Tyson is an overhyped figure, and the specific generational placement of the newbies rushing into the hobby, especially for investment in this wave of whatever it is, buys into the narrative because they remember that baddest man on the planet stuff. The card sales would have us think he is second only to Ali, but all the sales in the world doesn't mean he is an ATG. I think he's #3 in his generation behind the guys who beat him, Holyfield and Lewis. The rest of his record are tomato cans, has-beens and never-wases. Granted, he messed up his prime years with jail, but then Ali was exiled for three of his prime years too and Louis lost prime years to WWII, so no excuses there. Also, if Cus D'Amato had lived, maybe the story is different, but he didn't and it isn't. Louis, Johnson, Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Ali, they all would have beaten him, prime to prime. I also happen to think both Klitschkos under Emanuel Steward's training would have beaten him--styles were all wrong for that matchup. If I could pick a match I'd most like to see with Tyson it is Ali, just for the trash talking; can you imagine what Ali would have done with Tyson's voice and personal narrative? It would have been priceless.

The interesting thing, from my perspective, about the whole market situation is whether the price hikes will draw out really nasty stuff. It has been years since some of the tougher cards in the field have come to market. Normally, someone has to die or get divorced for it to happen. That's the difference with baseball cards and boxing cards: in boxing the known pop of so many issues or of specific cards in those issues is in single digits that they stand apart from the market. Tyson's RCs are pricey but easy; try an N386 Sullivan. Now, if anyone wants to trade my Tyson RC for an N386 Sullivan, drop me a line.

Tyson thrives on the myth and Aura. For guys my age (40), we were old enough to understand and watch boxing but young enough to still see him as this kind of superhero monster. Even though most boxing people including myself know he was overhyped and Lennox/Evander were better, he was still the man and our superhero growing up. Now we collect the guys we grew up with like Hulk Hogan, Tyson, Bo Jackson,Griffey Jr, Michael Jordan etc. Outside Jordan these aren't guys who are all time historical figures but they are to us. If that makes any sense?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not enough images in this thread.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by maniac_73

Tyson thrives on the myth and Aura. For guys my age (40), we were old enough to understand and watch boxing but young enough to still see him as this kind of superhero monster. Even though most boxing people including myself know he was overhyped and Lennox/Evander were better, he was still the man and our superhero growing up. Now we collect the guys we grew up with like Hulk Hogan, Tyson, Bo Jackson,Griffey Jr, Michael Jordan etc. Outside Jordan these aren't guys who are all time historical figures but they are to us. If that makes any sense?

Makes perfect sense to me. We all do it with our childhood heroes. Though in my case (Hank Aaron) he really is an historical figure.

You're right, Peter:

[wicker56]

Due to all the talk about the Johnson 218’s I figured I’d post a few pics. Looks like I’m going to have to try scanning these. Lol..

[Tao_Moko]

I've been collecting both prewar and post war since 1985 and got my first pack of cards in 1978. I kick myself in the ass for not being wise to boxing cards sooner. Prices are rising rapidly. I love the sport and have even competed in many contact sports(boxing, wrestling, jiu jujitsu and mma). However, this card is still wildly under appreciated and not only because its foreign, but because it is not Ruth solo. An amazing card with two of the greatest.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just for the hell of it some more images. Nothing rare like Adam's just mainstream.

[Exhibitman]

Mainstream, hah! Got the downpayment on a nice condo on Maui there, Peter.



1906 Winthrop Moving Picture Post Card of George Dixon vs. Chester Leon. Surely one of the most creative PC formats ever, it is essentially a flip book. Winthrops are known with baseball subjects but this is the only known boxer and only known example. Measures 3 5/8” x 2 1/4"



1920s Japanese postcard from a set showing scenes from the Daredevil Jack serial.



Circa 1937 advertising piece for cosmetics products using Joe Louis photos as a promotional aid.



This Slim Jim Bows mail reply PC shows Marciano pre-championship, dating the promotion to 1951 or earlier.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Great Marciano postcard. Here's another. The guy who sold it to me said he was a family member and his name was in fact Marciano, he had a group of them.

[wicker56]

Peter, I really like the #391 Liston card above. It’s such a great image and one of my all time favorites. Sonny was a very interesting individual.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by wicker56

Peter, I really like the #391 Liston card above. It’s such a great image and one of my all time favorites. Sonny was a very interesting individual.

Yeah the juxtaposition of the pink and the menacing expression is compelling IMO.